BRZ/FR-S vs 2015 Mustang

[Whitigir]

C7 Official Dry weight is 3,160 lbs. That with a 200 lbs driver and Oil + Gas = Probably around 3,500 lbs.

Now, that is some freaking serious engineering

On top of that a V8 produce 29 MPG High-way (Non-Hybrid) is no Joke.

I Doubt the next Mustang can touch that figure

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Its a sports car

"Sports cars may be spartan or luxurious but high maneuverability and minimum weight are requisite"

Considering the C7's performance envelope & usability, I believe it's weight to be at a minimum point. Whereas a Gencoupe or 370z's performance & usability could be reached with less weight if the car was focused less on touring comfort & style (sound deadening, ride comfort, etc).

So this thing (3616lb) must not be a sports car then, right? It's clearly a GT, since a whole lot of 2 seat sports cars exist that are lighter...

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[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

C7 Official Dry weight is 3,160 lbs. That with a 200 lbs driver and Oil + Gas = Probably around 3,500 lbs.

Now, that is some freaking serious engineering

Actual measured C7 weight with fuel is 3444 lb. from multiple credible sources. Subtract the weight of 18 gallons of fuel at 6.3 lb/gal and it's 3330 lb. empty. Weight minus oil isn't really pertinent. You can run a car with very nearly no fuel, but you wont' run for long with no OIL! In any case, no way it has 170 lb of oil!

Motorcycle manufacturers have exaggerated about how lightweight their bikes are for years. I would submit that the C7 "official dry weight" of 3160 lb. is similarly meaningless.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

C7 Official Dry weight is 3,160 lbs. That with a 200 lbs driver and Oil + Gas = Probably around 3,500 lbs.

Now, that is some freaking serious engineering

On top of that a V8 produce 29 MPG High-way (Non-Hybrid) is no Joke.

I Doubt the next Mustang can touch that figure

C/D tested a Z51 C7 and measured the curb weight at 3444 lbs. With a 200 lbs. driver, you'll be looking at 3644 lbs.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-road-test-review

Still an incredible car, but the weight was disappointing given the initial estimates.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

C/D tested a Z51 C7 and measured the curb weight at 3444 lbs. With a 200 lbs. driver, you'll be looking at 3644 lbs.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-road-test-review

Still an incredible car, but the weight was disappointing given the initial estimates.

I have an official Poster of the new C7 from Chevy. It says 3190 lbs Dry weight, 3.8 seconds 0-60mph, and 29 MPG high-way.

I can snap-shot it. Is it even Legal to fraudulent their Official Poster ?

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

I have an official Poster of the new C7 from Chevy. It says 3190 lbs Dry weight, 3.8 seconds 0-60mph, and 29 MPG high-way.

I can snap-shot it. Is it even Legal to fraudulent their Official Poster ?

All that matters (to me anyway) is curb weight since you can't run a car without fluids.

BTW if you're quoting dry weights, make sure you're comparing against other car's dry weights since most manufacturers quote curb.

[Whitigir]

So 254 Lbs difference from the Curb Weight that you Quoted to the Advertised Dry-weight = all in Liquids ?

Liquids in a car can be that heavy ? 254 lbs ?

Trans Fluid
Coolant
Gas
Oil
???

That is Hell of a lot =/

[thill]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

C7 Official Dry weight is 3,160 lbs. That with a 200 lbs driver and Oil + Gas = Probably around 3,500 lbs.

Now, that is some freaking serious engineering

On top of that a V8 produce 29 MPG High-way (Non-Hybrid) is no Joke.

I Doubt the next Mustang can touch that figure

Edmunds lists the curb weight as 3298lbs. At any rate it is pretty unfair to compare a Mustang that starts at under $24K to a Corvette that starts at $52Kish.

You are stepping into a whole different league with a C7 and you are paying for it.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by thill

Edmunds lists the curb weight as 3298lbs. At any rate it is pretty unfair to compare a Mustang that starts at under $24K to a Corvette that starts at $52Kish.

You are stepping into a whole different league with a C7 and you are paying for it.

Yepe 3,298 lbs sounds about right.

I understand Mustang starts at under 24k, but there are higher Trim level, and you can get Very Very close to 60k or so.

I am talking about those top of the line new Mustang, which is around 60k.

How do they Start on the same Chasis, Bigger Engine, more Performance Parts with that Light Weight to start with ?

I very Doubt that.

For what the C7 is now, it is a Cheap Super Car Stand-point. How did GM pulled those Specs with that Price ? I wonder

[thill]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

Yepe 3,298 lbs sounds about right.

I understand Mustang starts at under 24k, but there are higher Trim level, and you can get Very Very close to 60k or so.

I am talking about those top of the line new Mustang, which is around 60k.

How do they Start on the same Chasis, Bigger Engine, more Performance Parts with that Light Weight to start with ?

I very Doubt that.

For what the C7 is now, it is a Cheap Super Car Stand-point. How did GM pulled those Specs with that Price ? I wonder

Well we have no idea what a 2015 Mustang GT500 equivalent will look like and cost as there are no details at this time for the new model. The 2014 GT500 is a beast, it is 662hp and 631ft lbs of torque. So I would expect the next model to have more power and handle better than the current iteration.

[Hanni_0176]

I really wish they would drop 400 lbs of these. I would definitely be interested in getting the next gen Mustang in about 4-5 years, instead of going turbocharged on my FR-S. That way, I could keep the FR-S as my DD and use the Mustang as my weekend/track car.

If the Mustang wasn't already bloated, 200 lbs would be awesome. However, all 200 lbs does is sheds the weight it shouldn't have had in the first place. It really needs to drop 400 lbs to be impressive to me. Also, it's not just the weight, it's also the dimensions. They need to shorten the length and width and lower the height a bit. Otherwise, I'd rather just wait to see what the new Supra is going to be like. The 4th gen Supra is still one of my all time favorite cars/dream cars., but I was just too young then to afford one (just a teen). Now that I'm old enough, I'd love to see the return of Japanese "Muscle" Cars like the 3000GT/300ZX/Supra/RX-7/etc. I miss the 90's

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by thill

Edmunds lists the curb weight as 3298lbs. At any rate it is pretty unfair to compare a Mustang that starts at under $24K to a Corvette that starts at $52Kish.

You are stepping into a whole different league with a C7 and you are paying for it.

Hate to be that guy, but to me, the listed curb weight doesn't matter, only the real curb weight. Most cars manage to get close to their listed specs when measured by C/D. Case in point:

Scion FR-S listed curb weight: 2758 lbs.
C/D measured curb weight: 2705 lbs.

Scion FR-S listed CG height: 18.1"
C/D measured CG height: 18.0"

Not sure why the C7 weighs so much more than Chevy's official curb weight (+146 lbs.) Maybe some creative marketing by Chevy?

[thill]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Hate to be that guy, but to me, the listed curb weight doesn't matter, only the real curb weight. Most cars manage to get close to their listed specs when measured by C/D. Case in point:

Scion FR-S listed curb weight: 2758 lbs.
C/D measured curb weight: 2705 lbs.

Scion FR-S listed CG height: 18.1"
C/D measured CG height: 18.0"

Not sure why the C7 weighs so much more than Chevy's official curb weight (+146 lbs.) Maybe some creative marketing by Chevy?

Good point. I agree on the real curb weight. And man I want to drive a C7.

[Boxer486]

Chevy's published weight is dry. Same thing Alfa did listing the 4C's weight.