Frs vs s2000

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by CSG David

If modified correctly, the Corvette is actually pretty awesome, but it's going to require a pretty nice bank account to get you there (obviously a non-issue if you track a Corvette anyways). I dream of a built street class C7 Z06/Z07 that's still a V8 with a decently high rev limiter (not some stupid V6 TT rumor). Would be a fun car to drive around with absolutely no need for power mods...well maybe removal of cats and a tune.

I completely agree... the Corvette is very capable in the right hands. The funny thing is, i see a helluva lot of them, and they are almost never in the right hands.

I feel like many Corvette owners are just muscle car guy with a fancier muscle car. (yes, sterotypes are my specialty lol)

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by AyJay

I completely agree... the Corvette is very capable in the right hands. The funny thing is, i see a helluva lot of them, and they are almost never in the right hands.

I feel like many Corvette owners are just muscle car guy with a fancier muscle car. (yes, sterotypes are my specialty lol)

Actually, like rice-classic stated, if you're tallying up consumables while competing at a high level, S2000 actually looks pretty nice. You can almost universally tell if the Corvette driver is fast and basically there are sections of track where the LSx motor will blow and those sections are where you make up a lot of time. If the proper sump is installed and a bulletproof tranny/diff (actually I heard some Z06s have some issues, but may be okay now), my gawd, I'd love to have a Corvette. No replacement for displacement.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Friend of mine races a C5 (w2w racing), very reliably so and in the class he runs it in he doesn't have to do anything to the engine and runs it on pump gas so it's quite affordable to race as well. The S2k can run as fast in that class just as reliably and affordably as that C5. I've already done the math.

I had originally intended the FRS to be my next race car but it simply doesn't like making power on pump gas. I need to make 270whp on Pump gas and be able to run it at red line all day. The s2k is something I can do that with, it is an incredible platform and will be my next race car.

Which engine is he running,and how tuned/detuned?

Detuned LSx tends to be very reliable, the LS6 and LS3 in particular.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Which engine is he running,and how tuned/detuned?

Detuned LSx tends to be very reliable, the LS6 and LS3 in particular.

It's an LSx of some sort.... Does that help?! It's not tuned outside of just hitting safe afr's. The oiling is taken care of but it's stock. He thought about detuning it but decided to just add ballast instead.

[FRSfan111]

a little off subject here, but all things considered mr @CSG Mike do you still feel the FRS is a viable weekend HPDE car sice that's not always specific to mods ect. Personally I love the car and have been saving for the brakes you suggested. Even threw on an oil cooler on to ensure my engine doesn't get too toasty. I was eventually thinking about a S/C unless the twins get their own spec for racing ill continue modding like I have no class. IE my splitter/diffusor/oil cooler and future BBKs already would put me into a class that the stok engine will have no chance of being competitive in. So as just a race for fun car do you think the FRS is viable?

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by FRSfan111

a little off subject here, but all things considered mr @CSG Mike do you still feel the FRS is a viable weekend HPDE car sice that's not always specific to mods ect. Personally I love the car and have been saving for the brakes you suggested. Even threw on an oil cooler on to ensure my engine doesn't get too toasty. I was eventually thinking about a S/C unless the twins get their own spec for racing ill continue modding like I have no class. IE my splitter/diffusor/oil cooler and future BBKs already would put me into a class that the stok engine will have no chance of being competitive in. So as just a race for fun car do you think the FRS is viable?

As long as you take preventative measures... it should be.

True long term reliability wont be known for years.

[FRSfan111]

@CSG Mike, Define preventative measures. I always check fluids, oil cooler and oil pressure gauge installed. Planning on oil and water temp gauges, radiator and BBks w/ cooling ducts. Anything else you recommend?

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

FR-S has rear seats. FR-S has modern crash protection. Hence, FR-S wins in the real world.

IF rear seats and "modern crash protection" are big priorities for you, over more power, adjustable double-wishbone suspension all around, and more trackworthy front/rear weight distribution (the track is a part of my "real world")

Really, I see the S2000 as occupying a no-man's-land of cardom. It's not a track rocket ship like a Corvette or many other big-engine coupes.

Dedicated track S2000s even with stock powerplants are forces to be contended with.

It's not as sublime or balanced as a Boxster or Elise.

I think it is every bit as sublime as the Boxster on the street and at the track. I picked the S2000 over the Boxster after a few test drives, not only based on price/reliability. The S2000 was a more fun drive for me. The Elise is definitely more of a track car right out of the box, but the gearbox linkage is the opposite of "sublime" and of course it has too many shortcomings in other areas...

It's not as cheap to run or track-toy-like as a Miata. Yes, it's a reliable sports car. That's about it. If I'm going to buy a 2-seater, there's a massive list of cars I'd buy first.

For me, it's the best overall totally stock sports car of the last few decades. I only wish they'd made a fixed-roof version...

[Whitigir]

The only thing I hate about S2000, is the Nose. The Front-End Side Profile look like it is all about Head, and no Tail.

Long Head...no Tail....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by FRSfan111

@CSG Mike, Define preventative measures. I always check fluids, oil cooler and oil pressure gauge installed. Planning on oil and water temp gauges, radiator and BBks w/ cooling ducts. Anything else you recommend?

You don't really need the gauges; a simple ODB2 reader and display of your choice can handle that. A suction cup mount + old cell phone will do perfect.

The real weakness lies in within the engine itself. I've seen too many engine failures. I'm talking cars that are NA, or even stock, as far as the engine is concerned.

I'm not sure preventative measures can be had at this point.

I'd recommend a tune with a corrected transient timing table, but it's not a 100% proven fix. acab had a tune.

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'd recommend a tune with a corrected transient timing table, but it's not a 100% proven fix. acab had a tune.

Wha?!?! That changes everything...
I was going to run my FR-S this coming weekend at MR Laguna Seca... seriously reconsidering now.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by AyJay

Wha?!?! That changes everything...
I was going to run my FR-S this coming weekend at MR Laguna Seca... seriously reconsidering now.

Yes, he's been tuned... and I'm 99.9% sure that driver error isn't a factor.

Funny how this happens in the S2k thread on a the FRS/BRZ forum, rather than the BRZ/FRS thread on the s2k forum...

[EAGLE5]

Anybody know of people with a tune AND upgraded cooling running into trouble?

If I went to the track often, I would get a track car like a Thunder Roadster. Cheaper than converting a street car for track duty and proper safety, all without the compromises of a dual-use car, like bouncing around on stiff suspension with metal tubing inches from your head while commuting to work.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Anybody know of people with a tune AND upgraded cooling running into trouble?

If I went to the track often, I would get a track car like a Thunder Roadster. Cheaper than converting a street car for track duty and proper safety, all without the compromises of a dual-use car, like bouncing around on stiff suspension with metal tubing inches from your head while commuting to work.

Thunder roadster?

I did an outlap in on before, and will never get into another one again.

IIRC, acab had an oil cooler.