"gah FRS/BRZ are so slow, if only they had like 50 more hp"

[Braces]

Originally Posted by charged86

I just want to add that when my car had approx 210whp. It was in my mind what it should have had from the factory a little spinage in first but the car gripped all the power and was a blast this was on 215/45-17 hankook ventus. Now that I have 380-400 whp the car is over powered for stock trim by a long shot. With the colder weather I am seeing the traction light flash on the highway on a down shift to third at speeds of 55-60 on asphalt highways. And my tires are new Michelin super sports 245/40

Sounds like 380-400 whp is too much. Imagine same cold conditions and you are out for a spirited morning drive on your favorite TWISTY road. As you exit a sharp turn you downshift to accelerate to the next turn, lose traction, loss of control, etc, etc.

[charged86]

Originally Posted by Braces

Sounds like 380-400 whp is too much. Imagine same cold conditions and you are out for a spirited morning drive on your favorite TWISTY road. As you exit a sharp turn you downshift to accelerate to the next turn, lose traction, loss of control, etc, etc.

You laughing on the idea I could wreck my car ? Cause that's awful nice of ya. well hopefully I won't be as dumb as you "imagine" me to be. Its not my first rwd Drive car. Its actually my third. My first being a 1990 325i convt 5 speed. I owned from 17 to 20. And that was 1996-2000

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Braces

Sounds like 380-400 whp is too much. Imagine same cold conditions and you are out for a spirited morning drive on your favorite TWISTY road. As you exit a sharp turn you downshift to accelerate to the next turn, lose traction, loss of control, etc, etc.

Solution: Don't push as hard on the pedal on the right.

[Braces]

Originally Posted by charged86

You laughing on the idea I could wreck my car ? Cause that's awful nice of ya. well hopefully I won't be as dumb as you "imagine" me to be. Its not my first rwd Drive car. Its actually my third. My first being a 1990 325i convt 5 speed. I owned from 17 to 20. And that was 1996-2000

Mean't no disrespect. Making the point that the additional WHP on cold PSS could mean a hairy ride on a curvy mountain road. You can get away with some loss of traction in a straight -away. The stock 200 HP allows more leeway so the driver is less apt to lose control. That said ... I still believe the car would benefit with an additional 50 WHP.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Suberman

The Cayman is 100 to 200 kg heavier than the BRZ. Since the BRZ only weighs around 1,200 kg that's a lot of extra weight.

Here we go again, skewing specifications through rose tinted glasses. First, the BRZ is more like 2750lbs, or roughly 1250kg. Secondly a 987 Porsche Cayman's weight hovers around 1340kg (2950lbs). So at most their difference is around 100 kg, not 200.



Also this myth about not being able to explore a Cayman's handling limits on public roads is rubbish, and people that have actually driven them hard (and/or own them) almost entirely agree. Let's all stop beating this dead horse, shall we?

[charged86]

Originally Posted by Braces

Mean't no disrespect. Making the point that the additional WHP on cold PSS could mean a hairy ride on a curvy mountain road. You can get away with some loss of traction in a straight -away. The stock 200 HP allows more leeway so the driver is less apt to lose control. That said ... I still believe the car would benefit with an additional 50 WHP.

Fa sho!

[Tgionet]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Also this myth about not being able to explore a Cayman's handling limits on public roads is rubbish, and people that have actually driven them hard (and/or own them) almost entirely agree. Let's all stop beating this dead horse, shall we?

Depends on your definition of hard and how much you're willing to risk. The Porsche is without a doubt the better car but I found myself in "go directly to jail" territory before it really starts getting fun. Ultimately, it was the decider for me to get the BRZ over the Porsche. That and 9A1 engined cars were out of my price range and I'd never have peace of mind with an M96 or M97 engine.

[Whitigir]

Originally Posted by Tgionet

Depends on your definition of hard and how much you're willing to risk. The Porsche is without a doubt the better car but I found myself in "go directly to jail" territory before it really starts getting fun. Ultimately, it was the decider for me to get the BRZ over the Porsche. That and 9A1 engined cars were out of my price range and I'd never have peace of mind with an M96 or M97 engine.

If you are speaking on having fun on the roads = go to jail, then it doesnt matter if you drive a smart car, you would still go to jail.

[Tgionet]

Originally Posted by Whitigir

If you are speaking on having fun on the roads = go to jail, then it doesnt matter if you drive a smart car, you would still go to jail.

We have an overly harsh speeding law here in CT and speed limits left over from fuel rationing.

Reckless Speed
Anyone driving at more than 85 mph on any road must be prosecuted under the reckless driving law instead of the speeding law (CGS § 14-222). This offense also includes driving at any speed that endangers the life of anyone other than the driver or another vehicle occupant. The penalties for reckless speeding include a fine of $100-$300, imprisonment for up to 30 days, or both, for a first offense and a fine of up to $600, imprisonment for up to one year, or both, for a subsequent offense. Fines are subject to the surcharges and other fees described above so the actual amounts that must be paid are considerably higher.

[chrisl]

Those fines are amusingly out of proportion to the jail time - a fine of up to $600 or imprisonment for up to one year? I know which one I'd be hoping for...

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Tgionet

Depends on your definition of hard and how much you're willing to risk. The Porsche is without a doubt the better car but I found myself in "go directly to jail" territory before it really starts getting fun. Ultimately, it was the decider for me to get the BRZ over the Porsche. That and 9A1 engined cars were out of my price range and I'd never have peace of mind with an M96 or M97 engine.

I can get into "go directly to jail" speeds in my BRZ easily in turns. Doubling the speed limit (or "recommended" speed) in turns even on the stock Michelin tires is possible. In a straight line sure the Cayman will get you in trouble faster, but running to redline in 1st and 2nd gears is possible without getting much into illegal territory on most roads. Not like a Corvette where 1st is good for 65 mph

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by Tgionet

Depends on your definition of hard and how much you're willing to risk. The Porsche is without a doubt the better car but I found myself in "go directly to jail" territory before it really starts getting fun. Ultimately, it was the decider for me to get the BRZ over the Porsche. That and 9A1 engined cars were out of my price range and I'd never have peace of mind with an M96 or M97 engine.

Not a myth. I can easily put my BRZ sideways at just about any legal speed. This means I really have to drive it to enjoy it, but nobody can tell until I actually do get it sideways. Not so a Cayman. On a public road anyone halfway competent as a driver who is putting a Cayman the least bit sideways is in arrest me now territory, at least where I am.

For half the money the BRZ is truly unbeatable fun. And don't compare used Porsches to new Subaru's...that ain't a level field. In a couple of years the BRZ will be THE used sportscar bargain of this or any other century. Buying a new one to mod will be irrational when enough used ones become available.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Suberman

Not a myth. I can easily put my BRZ sideways at just about any legal speed. This means I really have to drive it to enjoy it, but nobody can tell until I actually do get it sideways. Not so a Cayman. On a public road anyone halfway competent as a driver who is putting a Cayman the least bit sideways is in arrest me now territory, at least where I am.

For half the money the BRZ is truly unbeatable fun. And don't compare used Porsches to new Subaru's...that ain't a level field. In a couple of years the BRZ will be THE used sportscar bargain of this or any other century. Buying a new one to mod will be irrational when enough used ones become available.

I just put snow tires on my BRZ and, let me tell you, the car is not nearly as fun with all the grip. I am really starting to get why they went with the Primacy tires with this car for everyday driving. It is just so easy to drive the car to the limits safetly and have fun. Without even breaking the speed limit (or just barely)...

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by Suberman

Not a myth. I can easily put my BRZ sideways at just about any legal speed. This means I really have to drive it to enjoy it, but nobody can tell until I actually do get it sideways. Not so a Cayman. On a public road anyone halfway competent as a driver who is putting a Cayman the least bit sideways is in arrest me now territory, at least where I am.

For half the money the BRZ is truly unbeatable fun. And don't compare used Porsches to new Subaru's...that ain't a level field. In a couple of years the BRZ will be THE used sportscar bargain of this or any other century. Buying a new one to mod will be irrational when enough used ones become available.

I understand that point of view, however if you're seen by a cop getting sideways, at 30 mph or 50 mph, you're still going to get a reckless driving ticket. Also that's really just a function of tires.