Frs vs s2000

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by ZDan

What is this "new technology" that the FR-S has that is so desirable? DI? No thanks!


Its price went up by about 1% per year. Today it would be ~$36.5k. Car prices don't go up exactly by inflation. Ferinstance, a 2009 Corvette was $48.6k, 2013 is $49.6k. Going by inflation, it should be $53k.

With the FR-S you also get inferior suspension design, inferior weight distribution, and an inferior powerplant. I don't know what the FR-S chassis stiffness is, presumably it is a bit stiffer than the s2000's ~22,000 N-m/degree.

Yes, I'm afraid of killing the engine tracking the car.

??? Do you think I hate money? That ain't happenin' any time soon... FR-S/BRZ is not the best swap candidate due to weight distribution issues anyway. Unlike an RX-7 or an S2000, where you can swap in a heavier more powerful engine and maintain 50/50 weight distribution, with the FR-S you are going to negatively impact the already poor 54/46 front-heavy bias. Unless you cut the firewall and move the engine/trans significantly aft.


So can an ancient 240Z chassis. Road loads are FAR higher than driveline loads.

I think that ALL the 2013 FR-S/BRZ have the issue with the factory tune, not just "unlucky" ones. I'm trying to keep up with tuning fixes, but not really interested in applying a tune to a brand-new car. I'll see how it develops.

There was no Z33 when the S2000 came out.


It is definitely a winner as a street car, especially at $25k. I'm very disappointed with the issues people are having tracking them, though. And trackability is a MUST for me even for a daily-driver.

Coming to an FRS/BRZ forum and spouting your propaganda telling owners how inferior their new cars are and expect it to roll over. I don't know who you're trying to convince. Don't like the car...? Go back to s2ki, or rx7club. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

...inferior suspension design. 58sec Tsukuba. RIGHT..........................

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by hmong337

Coming to an FRS/BRZ forum and spouting your propaganda telling owners how inferior their new cars are and expect it to roll over. I don't know who you're trying to convince. Don't like the car...? Go back to s2ki, or rx7club. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

...inferior suspension design. 58sec Tsukuba. RIGHT..........................

Any car is as fast as the amount of money you're willing to throw at it.

You can make a minivan lap Tsukuba in 58 seconds with enough money.

[AyJay]

Swapping an 2JZ, LSx, lambo v10, or a jet engine almost ALWAYS sounds like a coolguy thing to say on an car forum but it is almost ALWAYS unrealistic for 99% of the owner population.

I feel the some of the posts in this tread do a great job of mixing fantasyland with reality in an attempt to justify an ownership decision that may not have been the best one.

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Any car is as fast as the amount of money you're willing to throw at it.

You can make a minivan lap Tsukuba in 58 seconds with enough money.

Don't know about the van but it's all about how deep your pockets are... with the right platform of course.

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by aCab

Welp, I've officially joined the "s2000 or more reliable on track than the twins" crew as of today

Care to elaborate? I'd love to know more...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by AyJay

Care to elaborate? I'd love to know more...

pop

Same problem as everyone else...

[FRSfan111]

Both cars aside. Any car you race/drive at the limits is going to brake. That's a fact, the advantage of the s2k is we already know what those things typically are. The FRS is a new platform so there is little data in comparison. However the FRS makes a great DD it is having problems on the track given all the reports.

I will say that although I don't race like crazy, I do have a few HPDE days in this car and I didn't hold back at all. Bouncing of the rev limiter cause I had no where to go rpm/gear wise in certain corners, shorting over 100mph in the straights for multiple 20-25min sessions a day. After all that the only problems I suffered was brake fade and needing a new set of tires.

[CSG David]

Going to HPDE and tracking events is one of the most encouraging places to go. Every discussion point can be tested, verified, or re-evaluated for consistency through demonstration. Again, we encourage everyone to go out to at least one track day with their vehicles. If you need some driver instruction, just holla' at one of us and we'll help you guys out.

It has been proven that the S2000 is reliable and very performance oriented with relatively low levels of upkeep. That is actually a very strong statement from the S2000 camp. Denying those facts is like saying Ayrton Senna is a myth. What we must understand is that the BRZ/FRS is simply one decade newer with fresher ideas, materials, and goals. Whether it can be a reliable piece of engineering, is up to us to discover...which hasn't been quite up to our standard yet...

On top of that, the BRZ/FRS does things very well that the S2000 may struggle a bit. That is being incredibly stable in high speed cornering. This car was literally made to be driven flatout like the AE86. While you drive it flatout, the car is so slow at pickup that you can drink some tea and watch some Highlander while you're at it. It's a joke, but it's not a joke when it really makes up for the severe lack of power by having an extremely low drag and balanced aero. Ask us how we know...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by FRSfan111

Both cars aside. Any car you race/drive at the limits is going to brake. That's a fact, the advantage of the s2k is we already know what those things typically are. The FRS is a new platform so there is little data in comparison. However the FRS makes a great DD it is having problems on the track given all the reports.

I will say that although I don't race like crazy, I do have a few HPDE days in this car and I didn't hold back at all. Bouncing of the rev limiter cause I had no where to go rpm/gear wise in certain corners, shorting over 100mph in the straights for multiple 20-25min sessions a day. After all that the only problems I suffered was brake fade and needing a new set of tires.

Correct. The S2k doesn't break.

[aCab]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Correct. The S2k doesn't break.

I can attest to that. My FR-S has already given me way more problems in 18k miles then my s2000 has under 80k miles under similar use

I'll know more in 2-3 weeks after I get the car run through the dealer. No time to now. Short story, car isn't drivable except up into the trailer and down into the dealer parking lot. All I'll say for now.

[FRSfan111]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Correct. The S2k doesn't break.

Fair enough. Lol

[Rampage]

But Aryton Senna is DEAD and so is the s2000. Time to move forward.

[CSG David]

Originally Posted by Rampage

But Aryton Senna is DEAD and so is the s2000. Time to move forward.

Fairly difficult if the BRZ/FRS is constantly down for repairs. How the hell does an engine blow with routine maintenance, no lugging, zero bouncing off the redline, and no money shifts?

I am wondering who decided to sign off on the 5x100 hub pattern too.

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by aCab

I can attest to that. My FR-S has already given me way more problems in 18k miles then my s2000 has under 80k miles under similar use

I'll know more in 2-3 weeks after I get the car run through the dealer. No time to now. Short story, car isn't drivable except up into the trailer and down into the dealer parking lot. All I'll say for now.

My condolences. That really sucks!! Please provide updates when you are able to do so. Your experience my ultimately dictate what I decide to do with this car moving forward.