Best Parts for a modest NA tune and potential for FI

[jamesm]

if you're looking for just a bit more power i'd look into the innovate kit. it has advantages such as price, ease of install, stock maf location, etc that are attractive if your goals aren't more than what it can deliver. plus all of the na stuff you buy now will work great with it later. and you can use openflash now and by the time you get the innovate there will probably already be a base tune for it available. if not you could always get shiv to tune it for you remote.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

BRZedit is not setup ideally for a turbocharged car.

while you might be right (at the moment) on fuel and/or ignition cut off for turbo overboost, FI is not only turbo. There are lots of people on here who got superchargers.

Also, I'm not a specialist, but there are mechanical and electronic overboost protection devices/fuses which release boost to atmosphere, which some may prefer to abrupt fuel cutoff.

[tiny41]

As someone with avo turbo and openflash tablet, make sure your local tuner will support using the tablet. I'm actually getting the ecutek now cause I don't have a local tuner that will use the openflash tablet.

[Circuit Motorsports]

Originally Posted by vgi

while you might be right (at the moment) on fuel and/or ignition cut off for turbo overboost, FI is not only turbo. There are lots of people on here who got superchargers.

Also, I'm not a specialist, but there are mechanical and electronic overboost protection devices/fuses which release boost to atmosphere, which some may prefer to abrupt fuel cutoff.

True, a Supercharger will run of the pulley, limiting boost mechanically.
But most companies that releases a S/C kit with tuning, does so with EcuTek...

Also, There may be ways of piggybacking or wiring in a "fail safe" but keep in mind: if you wire in a failsafe/sensor to measure boost, based off a vacuum or pressure line, and that line fails, pops off, leaks, melts etc. - Your Failsafe is now just a Fail.

When you build in overboost protection based on actual Manifold Pressure, through the ECU, that is the only reliable way to know how much pressure is always going into the manifold/engine.

If you go with a cheaper/simpler solution to begin with, then have to create ways to overcome it's shortfalls, you may end up creating a more expensive complicated solution in the end.

Just giving everyone a heads up on this stuff. Knowledge is power.

There are many options, but know what each has to offer

Originally Posted by tiny41

As someone with avo turbo and openflash tablet, make sure your local tuner will support using the tablet. I'm actually getting the ecutek now cause I don't have a local tuner that will use the openflash tablet.

Exactly.

[wahsaihin]

great advice, thanks guys.

both the innovate supercharger and fa20club or P&L turbo are great options. makes it even harder to decide now, lol. I'm at high elevation so a turbo seems ideal, but the throttle response and reliability of the supercharger are also very strong points. i'd rather have lots of options than no options, but man is it hard to decide.

the supercharger seems more of a better "bolt on" option while the turbo set ups seem to be a bit more complex, require more parts and cost more up front. i am not sure what to do. go for the bang for buck (turbo) and maybe ending up more than what I need (but still enjoying it), or get the power I need and only that?

[Deep Six]

Time should be a consideration for you as well. If an FI system is a year or two away financially then you could consider some NA mods for the short term.

A decent header back upgrade may yield slightly more power but a significant difference in sound which can be equally important. This upgrade will compliment either of the 2 FI choices you may make down the road. Tuning will yield noticable improvements as well throughout the rev band but nothing like FI can deliver. If you do choose EcuTek, your investment in the license and cable are not duplicated down the road and many tuners will provide some discount when upgrading to FI tunes especially if you are buying hardware or install from them. But other tuning options are viable as well.

Bottom line is that there are options to improve the car TODAY that wont be entirely wasted if you go FI down the road.

[mid_life_crisis]

Keep in mind that while tuning options for FI may seem limited now, a lot can happen between now and when you are ready to pull the trigger.

[Circuit Motorsports]

Originally Posted by wahsaihin

great advice, thanks guys.

both the innovate supercharger and fa20club or P&L turbo are great options. makes it even harder to decide now, lol. I'm at high elevation so a turbo seems ideal, but the throttle response and reliability of the supercharger are also very strong points. i'd rather have lots of options than no options, but man is it hard to decide.

the supercharger seems more of a better "bolt on" option while the turbo set ups seem to be a bit more complex, require more parts and cost more up front. i am not sure what to do. go for the bang for buck (turbo) and maybe ending up more than what I need (but still enjoying it), or get the power I need and only that?

It may behoove you to go get a ride, or drive if possible, a car with some upgrades on it (N/A, supercharger, turbo) and ask what their power level is, mods etc.

That way you can get an idea of what power level is going to suit your needs before going one way or another.

Most 86 owners are pretty chummy and I'm sure a fellow 86'er wouldn't mind giving you a ride at a local meet.

FYI - a 300whp 86 feels pretty damn good on the street and is way more than most people want/need.