OpenFlash/TunerPro Tuning Locations

[cnk]

Originally Posted by jamesm

while i agree it's the common thing you hear from tuners, it just doesn't make sense at all.

it seems as though those tuners are arguing opposing sides simultaneously, that exposing a single individual's tune would somehow harm their ability to do business, yet the whole aftermarket tuning business is pretty much built on the idea that cars require custom tuning and such 'generic' information would be useless to anyone else regardless. this is why we pay them instead of just downloading a map and calling it a day. the information is either valuable and to be protected or useless. you can't tell me it's valuable when i want to share it, but useless when i want to use it.

It's valuable now because tuning for this platform is still relatively new. After a few years when everyone knows all the ins and outs of tuning this engine, it will be less valuable from a R&D investment perspective. It's like the WRX/EVO market. Lots of folks paid top dollar for tunes when those cars first came out. Now that they've been out for a while and the open tuning market has matured, there's less R&D time involved so tuners are more open to the idea.

The issue now is that people want to apply pricing/practices from a known entity with years of development time to a new one with only a little over a year's time. People just need to give it some time and let the market develop, but we are in the "instant gratification" generation now.

[cnk]

Originally Posted by vgi

oh, and reading comprehension is the key!
what I wrote was "i doubt that tuners who's tunes suck will support unlocked tune".
that doesn't not equate to "tuners that will not support unlocked tune have shitty tunes".
i really hope you get it this time.

If reading comprehension is key, then your double negative means that you agree so does that mean writing ability is key?

In regards to your base tune comment, the only base tunes now are from Shiv as far as I am aware so it comes down to whether or not you trust his tuning abilities since logging is not yet available. When other tuners start offering "base" tunes. . if they do. . .sure, I agree.

But just to explore your statement some more, you are assuming that only tuners who's tunes suck wouldn't want to support an unlocked tune. I'm sure if you asked anyone that tunes or has a tune for a car that they race competitively to share their tune that they wouldn't be willing to do it in order to maintain any competitive advantage they may have.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by cnk

If reading comprehension is key, then your double negative means that you agree so does that mean writing ability is key?

well, that was an obvious typo thanks, I corrected it

The base or canned tunes are available from many tuners, just not for OpenFlash but EcuTek

Originally Posted by cnk

you are assuming that only tuners who's tunes suck wouldn't want to support an unlocked tune

nope, nowhere I have made that assumption that only tuners who's tunes suck. I have made assumption though that those tuners who aren't completely 100% sure in their tunes will avoid opening them up.

[cnk]

Originally Posted by vgi

The base or canned tunes are available from many tuners, just not for OpenFlash but EcuTek

Well, the title of the thread is OpenFlash so at this point, it's only Vishnu that has base tunes for that platform. You can't open an Ecutek base tune unless the Ecutek tuner did not lock the tune file or you have a way to hack the lock. I'm not aware of any unlocked Ecutek tunes floating around, but if you know of any, it would be nice to compare.

[Circuit Motorsports]

Professional tuners who make a living selling their proprietary tunes, based on their hours/days/years of research and experience will generally not want to tune on opensource because it can't be locked and could basically be given away.

Keep in mind guys, tuners work hard for their money in this industry and tuning is a business. Just because Tuner-A says he will tune on opensource doesn't measn his tune will be anywhere near as good as Tuner-B, or vice-versa. Not all tunes are equal, and not all tuners are equal, "professional" or otherwise.

You need to have a good product to make money (tuning), and you need to be able to sell that product to make a living. If it's out there for free why would anyone buy it?

Fairly simple.

-Tristan

[toekneehair]

I fear we are floating somewhat away from what this thread was intended for.

What this thread is hoping to find - Locations or businesses that are willing to tune an 86 using the OpenFlash unit on their dyno. It can be for FI or NA.

I understand that many tuners and people in the business may not want to do this and have their work openly exposed. This thread is not intended for them or to make them change. I absolutely understand their intent to protect their work. This thread is to help find those who do not mind tuning and allowing what they do to be seen. The custom tunes they do for customers may not be safe for everyone. But if you own this product and want to find a place to get a custom tune I was hoping to generate a list of places that would still provide the service using OpenFlash. Some places will be better then others. But we can always debate who's best later. I just want to know who will.

As I get names of locations willing to use OpenFlash I will add them to the list up at the beginning of the thread.

Thank you to everyone
- Tony

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by Circuit Motorsports

Professional tuners who make a living selling their proprietary tunes, based on their hours/days/years of research and experience will generally not want to tune on opensource because it can't be locked and could basically be given away.

Keep in mind guys, tuners work hard for their money in this industry and tuning is a business. Just because Tuner-A says he will tune on opensource doesn't measn his tune will be anywhere near as good as Tuner-B, or vice-versa. Not all tunes are equal, and not all tuners are equal, "professional" or otherwise.

You need to have a good product to make money (tuning), and you need to be able to sell that product to make a living. If it's out there for free why would anyone buy it?

Fairly simple.

-Tristan

Regardless of the open nature of this tuners will always have a way to make money. There are no two cars exactly the same even if they have identical components, so every car can benefit from a dynotune over a off the shelf tune or a tune pulled off another car with similar components. If a tuner refuses to tune on a open source platform they're just going to lose out on this portion of the market to the tuners that will do it. Their loss.

[toekneehair]

Originally Posted by solidONE

Regardless of the open nature of this tuners will always have a way to make money. There are no two cars exactly the same even if they have identical components, so every car can benefit from a dynotune over a off the shelf tune or a tune pulled off another car with similar components. If a tuner refuses to tune on a open source platform they're just going to lose out on this portion of the market to the tuners that will do it. Their loss.

I do hope some people see the potential profits to be had. Competition drives business to always improve itself.

[jamesm]

the smart game would be to break the burnout cycle by not offering free updates for life for a single flat fee. this way at least your customer don't all end up hating you when you inevitably can't live up to the ever-increasing workload.

free basemaps.... a la carte updates. sell the work, not the map, and let the revenue scale with the workload.

ok now back on topic lol

[toekneehair]

New addition to the list

Mach V Motorsports

45690 Elmwood Ct. #170
Sterling, VA 20166
(571) 434-8333
Website: http://fastwrx.com/brzshop.html

[jprice130]

Steven Rankins at 42 Autosports (Concord, NC) is on board with OFT and can provide a custom tune with his Mustang Dyno. He's already been in contact with Shiv and is excited to give this platform a go.

[toekneehair]

New addition to the list

42 Autosports

726 Church Street North
Concord, NC 28025
(704) 425-3044
Website: 42autosports.com‎

[regal]

short thread there has to be more out there PM me