Report: Toyota 86 / FR-S Sedan still coming (with 100mm longer wheelbase) - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Hachiroku · 10-11-2013, 11:54 AM

via: motoring.com.au

It’s no exaggeration to say the 86, Australia’s top-selling sports car, has single-handedly succeeded in injecting some sparkle into Toyota’s lacklustre line-up.

And, according to a source close to Toyota, there’s plenty more where that came from.

That’s right folks, the 86 family is about to grow -- and in a big way. When the 86 landed in showrooms last year, we were told of other iterations including a soft-top, a sedan and a shooting brake (sports wagon). Chief engineer Tetsuya Tada even mentioned as much in his blog.

Well, although the 86 convertible concept has apparently stalled, our insider now tells us the green light has been given for an 86-based sedan.

The soft-top 86 roadster concept was unveiled at the Geneva motor show in March, but there is still no word from Toyota -- or our insider, for that matter -- as to when we might see that car on the road.

What we can tell you is that an 86-based sedan, similar to the one rendered here by Japan’s Holiday Auto magazine, is on the way and may even beat the soft-top into showrooms.

According to our source, the new sports sedan will target 40-something buyers who honed their driving skills in cars like the rear-wheel drive Corolla AE86, Nissan Silvia (180SX and 200SX), Mazda RX-8 or Honda S2000.

Employing a wheelbase that’s 100mm longer than that of the current 86, the new sedan will feature what Toyota calls a “keen-look” grille design that appears to replicate the shape of a Japanese ‘katana’ Samurai sword.

In addition to the base model’s Subaru-sourced 147kW 2.0-litre boxer powertrain, the as-yet-unnamed 86 sedan will also offer a next-generation hybrid system.

Strategically differentiated from the Toyota’s current Hybrid Synergy Drive system, the new ‘Hybrid R’ sports hybrid system will incorporate a one-motor parallel drive set-up that generates up to 200kW while achieving 10-15 per cent better fuel economy.

While Hybrid R details are still sketchy, our insider suggests the new system – as revealed in the 300kW Yaris Hybrid-R concept at Frankfurt -- will employ F1-style KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) technology that can recover the car’s kinetic energy under braking.

While we will not see this concept at next month’s Tokyo motor show, we hear strong rumours that it will make an appearance at next year’s Geneva show.

Expect to see Toyota’s all-new rear-drive compact sports sedan hit showrooms from late 2015 through to early 2016, priced not far from the sub-$30K 86.

Unfortunately, our sources tell us we won’t get a look at the jointly developed Toyota-BMW sports car at the Tokyo show either, with the Geneva show in March 2014 now looking more likely.

* Imaginative/speculative render only *

frs10 · 10-11-2013, 12:00 PM

interesting... this is exciting for toyota!

snoflewis · 10-11-2013, 12:03 PM

does anyone find it interesting that all the "rumors" are coming out of australia? how valid are these?

thill · 10-11-2013, 12:06 PM

Umm.. I find this hard to believe, and four doors ruins it for me...

fang_gt86 · 10-11-2013, 12:07 PM

Excited! Can't wait to see the actual concept!

kanundrum · 10-11-2013, 12:08 PM

Looks like they will make a legacy Clone for Toyota, NICE!

TofuDelivery · 10-11-2013, 12:10 PM

4 doors on an FR-S just doesn't work imo. If they build this, I would call it something else, and not a FR-S Sedan.

frs10 · 10-11-2013, 12:19 PM

well i was actually excited about the BMW and Toyota car lol not that thing

DarkSunrise · 10-11-2013, 12:21 PM

An FR-S sedan would be exciting, but only if they could retain the low CG and light weight of the coupe.

More interesting to me - if the details on the hybrid powertrain are accurate, that's probably the configuration we'll see on the FR-S for the 2015 refresh. 200 kw = ~270 hp. The weight gain may not be too substantial either, as Toyo engineers have reportedly been able to lighten the FR-S by ~220 lbs without too much difficulty.

bestwheelbase · 10-11-2013, 01:04 PM

Currently it's 2570mm.

pheoxs · 10-11-2013, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

Currently it's 2570mm.

Gonna need to print new tshirts for 2670!

bestwheelbase · 10-11-2013, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pheoxs

Gonna need to print new tshirts for 2670!

Yeah, we'll see if these rumors materialize.

Jertronic · 10-11-2013, 01:28 PM

this is going to stretch the wheel base by just shy of 4 inches, right?

How's this enough of an increase to make a sedan?

finch1750 · 10-11-2013, 01:30 PM

Damn. If this was a hatch I would be in love

10-11-2013, 11:54 AM	#1
Hachiroku Administrator Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Boxster 986 Location: Tristate Posts: 1,161 Thanks: 36 Thanked 1,977 Times in 344 Posts Mentioned: 186 Post(s) Tagged: 5 Thread(s)	Report: Toyota 86 / FR-S Sedan still coming (with 100mm longer wheelbase) via: motoring.com.au It’s no exaggeration to say the 86, Australia’s top-selling sports car, has single-handedly succeeded in injecting some sparkle into Toyota’s lacklustre line-up. And, according to a source close to Toyota, there’s plenty more where that came from. That’s right folks, the 86 family is about to grow -- and in a big way. When the 86 landed in showrooms last year, we were told of other iterations including a soft-top, a sedan and a shooting brake (sports wagon). Chief engineer Tetsuya Tada even mentioned as much in his blog. Well, although the 86 convertible concept has apparently stalled, our insider now tells us the green light has been given for an 86-based sedan. The soft-top 86 roadster concept was unveiled at the Geneva motor show in March, but there is still no word from Toyota -- or our insider, for that matter -- as to when we might see that car on the road. What we can tell you is that an 86-based sedan, similar to the one rendered here by Japan’s Holiday Auto magazine, is on the way and may even beat the soft-top into showrooms. According to our source, the new sports sedan will target 40-something buyers who honed their driving skills in cars like the rear-wheel drive Corolla AE86, Nissan Silvia (180SX and 200SX), Mazda RX-8 or Honda S2000. Employing a wheelbase that’s 100mm longer than that of the current 86, the new sedan will feature what Toyota calls a “keen-look” grille design that appears to replicate the shape of a Japanese ‘katana’ Samurai sword. In addition to the base model’s Subaru-sourced 147kW 2.0-litre boxer powertrain, the as-yet-unnamed 86 sedan will also offer a next-generation hybrid system. Strategically differentiated from the Toyota’s current Hybrid Synergy Drive system, the new ‘Hybrid R’ sports hybrid system will incorporate a one-motor parallel drive set-up that generates up to 200kW while achieving 10-15 per cent better fuel economy. While Hybrid R details are still sketchy, our insider suggests the new system – as revealed in the 300kW Yaris Hybrid-R concept at Frankfurt -- will employ F1-style KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) technology that can recover the car’s kinetic energy under braking. While we will not see this concept at next month’s Tokyo motor show, we hear strong rumours that it will make an appearance at next year’s Geneva show. Expect to see Toyota’s all-new rear-drive compact sports sedan hit showrooms from late 2015 through to early 2016, priced not far from the sub-$30K 86. Unfortunately, our sources tell us we won’t get a look at the jointly developed Toyota-BMW sports car at the Tokyo show either, with the Geneva show in March 2014 now looking more likely. * Imaginative/speculative render only *

10-11-2013, 12:07 PM	#5
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10-11-2013, 12:08 PM	#6
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10-11-2013, 12:21 PM	#9
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,798 Thanks: 2,187 Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,221 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	An FR-S sedan would be exciting, but only if they could retain the low CG and light weight of the coupe. More interesting to me - if the details on the hybrid powertrain are accurate, that's probably the configuration we'll see on the FR-S for the 2015 refresh. 200 kw = ~270 hp. The weight gain may not be too substantial either, as Toyo engineers have reportedly been able to lighten the FR-S by ~220 lbs without too much difficulty. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

10-11-2013, 01:30 PM	#14
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10-11-2013, 12:03 PM	#3
snoflewis Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: civic si Location: los angeles Posts: 39 Thanks: 7 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	does anyone find it interesting that all the "rumors" are coming out of australia? how valid are these?

10-11-2013, 12:06 PM	#4
thill Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2020 SS1LE (previous 13 BRZ owner) Location: North Pole Posts: 2,753 Thanks: 328 Thanked 1,463 Times in 802 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Umm.. I find this hard to believe, and four doors ruins it for me...

10-11-2013, 12:10 PM	#7
TofuDelivery Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: FR-S MT lava Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 58 Thanks: 40 Thanked 20 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	4 doors on an FR-S just doesn't work imo. If they build this, I would call it something else, and not a FR-S Sedan.

10-11-2013, 01:04 PM	#10
bestwheelbase Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: 1985 P-Type Location: Nashville, TN, USA Posts: 3,710 Thanks: 3,273 Thanked 2,058 Times in 1,098 Posts Mentioned: 50 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Currently it's 2570mm.

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