How restrictive is the stock midpipe

[Corner3garage]

Personally I think the stock midpipe isn't that restrictive.

If you look at the DSPORT exhaust shootout the Berk Technology Single tip track pipe makes the most peak power, which makes me think that the mid pipe probably isn't that bad!!!

Thanks,
Michael

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Corner3garage

Personally I think the stock midpipe isn't that restrictive.

If you look at the DSPORT exhaust shootout the Berk Technology Single tip track pipe makes the most peak power, which makes me think that the mid pipe probably isn't that bad!!!

Thanks,
Michael

What he says.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by velin86

I'm going nameless axelback with that works midpipe.

A Nameless Axleback and Front/overpipe combo costs 874 and probably cheaper since sometimes give discounts to forum members. You would only be paying about 100 dollars more for better performance and 2 parts that are made for each other rather than just a WORKS mid pipe that probably will see no gain when paired with the Nameless axleback. I dont see how the Works mid pipe would benefit the Nameless axleback. I mean theirs only so many ways you can design a mid pipe for these cars most of the gains you see from the exhaust mods are from the front/over pipe. Works claims 5-6 whp but that is with there axle back. When Nameless claimed they got no gains with the mid pipe. Also remember Works is the company who was trying to claim there drop in filter got 10 hp and refused to send one of the more popular shops/tuners a drop in to dyno for them to prove the results. They ignored that for so long and by the time people did dyno the drop in filter a ton of people have already ordered there drop in filters and payed double what they could of gotten for the same results with another brand of filter. I honestly wouldnt trust or buy from a company after something like that happened. They pushed there drop in filter really hard claiming rediculous gains and charged double of what other filters cost and probably made a killing off those claims. There was a huge thread on it that got locked or deleted and they ignored every chance that was given to them by drift office and ft86speedfactory to dyno the drop in filter they offered and made outrageous claims with. If they did make such gains dont you think sending out one filter to see those gains would increase sales even more? I could only see one reason why a vendor wouldnt want to do that and I am sure everyone else knows why they wouldnt want to send it out either when offered.

Would you trust Works claiming the gains they got on a mid pipe after they made bogus claims on there drop in filter just for the sake of sales? Nameless says they saw no gain when adding a mid pipe to there axleback. While WORKS claims they got 6 whp. Who do you think is telling the truth? Nameless has been very transparent with every step of the design process of there parts and have a great reputation on this board. I would take there word over Works when deciding which set up I would go with after that whole drop in filter fiasco.

Why not just follow there advice and get there axleback and front/over pipe like how they did when they tested. I honestly dont think you will see any gains getting the Works Mid pipe if Nameless during there R&D said they got no gains adding the mid pipe to there axle back. No other vendor has been so straightforward with such information and IMO you would just be wasting money when you can get way better gains/performance going with there over/front pipe combo and there axle back. They did this to save customers money since there was no benefit of adding the mid pipe. For how much the Works mid pipe costs you would only have to pay a little more for Nameless 2 parts that would perform great together since they were made and tested for each other. You at least will know what type of performance gains you will be getting with Nameless as they already did dyno's on the Over/front pipe with there axleback.

I think they released a mid pipe or plan to in the future though recently for people who would rather have one just for piece of mind. IMO your much better off getting an exhaust that is a complete system from the headers back to the axle back. Whether your getting it piece of piece or all together as one.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Seriously? Why would anyone downgrade from the oem 409 mid-pipe to aluminized pipe?

Do you have a dyno sheet for that 5-6whp gain from your Works mid-pipe?

take there dyno's with a grain of salt. Remember when they tried to push there drop in filter claiming 10 hp and when other vendors offered to dyno it if they sent one over they ignored them.

I personally wouldnt buy a thing from Works for this reason. Just look at what they make there exhaust parts out of and for what they charge. Nameless has kept this community involved the whole way of the design of there exhaust system whereas Works just releases a single dyno showing us what the final product is. For all we know this could be the worse stock run compared to the best run with the mid pipe.

When a vendor like Nameless and other say the mid pipe provides no gains and you see a vendor like Works who tried to make rediculous claims on a drop in filter and charge double just for the sake of sales. Who would you trust/listen/buy from.

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Sorry 'experienced buddy' but aluminized pipe and bogus hp claims = snake oil.

Caveat emptor.

This isnt the first time they have made bogus claims. Theres a reason why there Works drop in filter thread got locked. It would of stayed open if they would of just let someone dyno there drop in filter instead of ignoring. Giving away 1 filter to dyno to prove your claims will sell 100 more. Lots of companies do this when they stand behind a product. When a company doesnt want to send a filter away because they would be losing money doesnt make sense when they would make more back from the free advertising. That is a huge red flag right there. Why claim those gains then when someone offers to dyno it for you you refuse. Its obvious they knew it wouldnt of made such gains. Look at Airaid.. they sold a bunch of intakes before anyone dyno tested it and made a killing. They even showed us a dyno but most vendors are lying pieces of shit who show bogus dyno's for the sake of sales. And Works claiming 6 whp for there mid pipe IMO is full of shit when you got other companies who are well respected on these forums saying otherwise.

[vgi]

found this which has pretty good explanation on exhaust although the article itself is about building an exhaust
www.mikekemper.com/elantra/diyexhaust/
some may have seen this already in another thread