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My only point was that the S2000 is a lot more svelte looking than the FR-S, if car "fatness" bothers you. Quote:
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On the flipside, the S2k obviously has the sweeter engine with 9k redline, double-wishbones, and weight distribution. (Although I wonder whether the last two actually matter if the BRZ is cornering faster than the S2000 with similar mods.) In the end, both cars have their pros and cons for track use. It's interesting that stock v. stock in the hands of great drivers, the laptime difference between these two is quite small, less than 1 second, even with the S2000's 40 hp advantage and BRZ on touring tires. This is at MRLS too. http://www.motortrend.com/features/laguna_lap/
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Get your facts straight. A current model used BRZ is worth less than my (now) 6 year old s2000. There must be a reason why the S2000 is holding value. |
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I own a CR. The 86's weak points are VERY painfully obvious to me after just 8 months of tracking one. |
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Also, that Laguna lap is bunk. I lap FAR faster than that in a stock s2k, and I'm no pro. |
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Re. the S2000 vs. BRZ comparison on equal tires, it sounds like what you're saying is the S2000 has a large power advantage, and the BRZ chips away at that with aero and to a lesser degree cornering speed. The S2000 will still have the advantage on most tracks, but the difference isn't as large as the 40hp spread might lead you to believe. Personally, I would have gone with a used S2000 for the engine, price & track-proven reliability, but what it came down to is I didn't want to daily drive a car with a roll bar, which I'd have needed to track the car. Some of the clubs I run with don't even allow convertibles, which is a big drawback for me. Honda, why no S2000 coupe?
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That woulda been perfect I got the S2k in spite of its being a convertible. *Almost* got an RX-8, but the mileage was too abysmal for my 70 mile/day commute. They should take the FR-S/BRZ platform and shove the engine/trans/firewall/windshield/front-seaters aft about 20" or so to make a modern 2000GT with 50/50 weight distribution at 2600-2700 lb, for less than $30k (totally doable). With optional 300hp turbo or 3.0 H-6 Nah, makes too much sense, they'll never do it |
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I think something along those lines will come out in the next 2-3 years. Might not check all of those boxes, but will come close. With the number of people who almost bought the BRZ/FR-S but didn't because of the lack of power, I think manufacturers are on notice. Whether it's the 2015 update to the Twins, the new lighter Mustang GT, 4th gen RX7, or new lighter Z car, one of those has to come close.
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- The S2k has a power advantage at certain speeds. 20-85, 125+ Between 90 and 120, it's a wash. This is due to the BRZ's inherant "slipperyness" (it's more aerodynamic). - The BRZ has much better aerodynamic balance stock, compared to the S2k. The S2k makes a ton of rear lift, and a good amount of front downforce, stock, whereas the BRZ is zero lift (with factory aero). This is also why the BRZ gives the S2k such a good fight on mid-speed tracks, but it's also why the S2k simply decimates the BRZ once aero is added (just a rear wing). - Coupe... well... if there was one, I'd have one, but I suppose that's why I have an OEM hardtop. Surprisingly, I discovered that going topless is pretty fcking awesome. I would have never though I'd like a topless car before I tried it. |
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Wheel bearings go out quick (also an issue on the s2k) Transmission is weak (cannot add more than bolt-on FI if you hope for the trans to last) Bushings wear out somewhat quickly No stock oil cooler Original factory tune was bad Throttle response is lacking Power is lacking While the potential to grow the platform is there, the car doesn't respond well to more than basic bolt-ons. |
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Yeah, the reason is called economics, supply and demand. 86 is current production and produced sold at a higher rate than the S2000 ever knew. Performance has very little to do w/ that. The 86 has sold almost 30,000 units it's first year which is almost half what the S2000 did in 10 years. Of course, you've compared the S2K w/ a wing to the 86 w/ aero right? The Griffon seems to respond well to aero on the stock motor. I'm not sure how valuable comparing a stock car to one with aero add-ons is. |
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