I'm very disappointed with Toyota..

[meadowz06]

Let me chime in and say I just had a GREAT experience with my Toyota service department.(Hoover Toyota) I had a rattle in the headliner of the
FR-S, and they took their time and did a fantastic job and the rattle is gone!

[thill]

Originally Posted by regal

Here we go, denial solves nothing.

What exactly am I denying? Your conspiracy theories offer zero benefit to the forums....

[Ozzman]

Originally Posted by regal

I'm glad you brought Toyotas last sports car. the other Toyota sports car forum(Spyderchat) rallied behind early model owners and came up with several ways to fix this problem. Several warnings were posted and a lot of people benefited.

On this forum it seems you bring up a problem/issue and you get chastised, a lot of denial and defensiveness here rather than "lets put our heads together and fix it." that probably more than anything is why the op made such a depressing post.

People don't get chastised for bringing up a problem or issue.

You get chastised for beating them like a dead horse and not bringing any new useful information to the table.

[SillySaxon]

This was a complaining thread to begin with so why expect useful info? It wasn't a question it was "this is why I'm mad"

That said, here's some useful info.
I have a June 13 build date on my new 10 series.
It has crickets after 500 miles and haven't gone away quite yet (only at 2700 miles).
I'm going to wait till 10k to bring it in for crickets since many have has them disappear after then.
Unless I get some knockiNg or cels I'm not worried and I'll use my warranty on anything

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[thill]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

This was a complaining thread to begin with so why expect useful info? It wasn't a question it was "this is why I'm mad"

That said, here's some useful info.
I have a June 13 build date on my new 10 series.
It has crickets after 500 miles and haven't gone away quite yet (only at 2700 miles).
I'm going to wait till 10k to bring it in for crickets since many have has them disappear after then.
Unless I get some knockiNg or cels I'm not worried and I'll use my warranty on anything

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My crickets have been sporadic, but they seem to have gotten better over time. Most days, I don't have them anymore.

[SillySaxon]

Originally Posted by thill

My crickets have been sporadic, but they seem to have gotten better over time. Most days, I don't have them anymore.

Mine are starting to quiet already.
In fact, sometimes when they are making noise it will die down a bit and just be a chirp here and then, then pick up to constant chirp again.
Really depends, we'll see how it goes over the next 8000 miles.

If at 10k nothing has changed I'm bringing her in again

[Dephective]

I don't understand why people think that the crickets are a problem. Sure the sound is undesirable, but it's because of how the fuel pump is designed. Crickets are no cause for concern. The more stress you put on the pump (i.e hard driving, hot ambient temperatures, etc.) the more likely you are going to get the noise. Deal with it and hope that they have a revised pump, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's not a design "flaw".

[SillySaxon]

Originally Posted by Dephective

I don't understand why people think that the crickets are a problem. Sure the sound is undesirable, but it's because of how the fuel pump is designed. Crickets are no cause for concern. The more stress you put on the pump (i.e hard driving, hot ambient temperatures, etc.) the more likely you are going to get the noise. Deal with it and hope that they have a revised pump, but I wouldn't hold my breath. It's not a design "flaw".

For a select few the crickets got really loud leading up to a DI failure. That of course doesn't mean Crickets=DI failure.

For a brand new car though it is kind of a jalopy sound. I think Toyota will likely develop a new design, they've already revised it once so that at least shows its getting looked at.

I wouldn't even be mad if they left the design alone and just have all FR-S BRZ a lifetime DI seal replacement warranty to replace them every 10k miles as the crickets got bad.

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[Pacific Auto]

From my understanding sound (crickets) is created from friction. Friction equals wear.

So it theory a squeaky fuel pump will wear out quicker than a non squeaky one.

Thoughts?

[yuicebox]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

I wouldn't even be mad if they left the design alone and just have all FR-S BRZ a lifetime DI seal replacement warranty to replace them every 10k miles as the crickets got bad.

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You realize how insane that sounds, right?

The DI Seal problems aren't related to the fuel pump, they're related to bad ECU programming. Most cars with a 2013 build date are fixed (running 01C ECU calibration).

Replacing your Direct Injectors every 10k miles won't stop the crickets, because they're not what causes them.

[Dephective]

Originally Posted by Pacific Auto Films

From my understanding sound (crickets) is created from friction. Friction equals wear.

So it theory a squeaky fuel pump will wear out quicker than a non squeaky one.

Thoughts?

Until I see someone open their HPFP and I see pictures of said wear, I'd be skeptical to say that this is so. Do you understand the pressures that a HPFP put out? I haven't heard of a failed HPFP yet, even on boosted applications running much larger injectors (which is actually unheard of for DI HPFP's in other applications) so I'd say we have a pretty functional design. If a noisy fuel pump is your primary concern when purchasing a vehicle, then you have other problems.


On my MS6 which had ONLY direct injection, the HPFP would fail after the simple addition of a downpipe, sometimes even stock. And by fail I mean cease to provide fuel required for proper running conditions.

[SillySaxon]

Originally Posted by Dephective

Until I see someone open their HPFP and I see pictures of said wear, I'd be skeptical to say that this is so. Do you understand the pressures that a HPFP put out? I haven't heard of a failed HPFP yet, even on boosted applications running much larger injectors (which is actually unheard of for DI HPFP's in other applications) so I'd say we have a pretty functional design. If a noisy fuel pump is your primary concern when purchasing a vehicle, then you have other problems.


On my MS6 which had ONLY direct injection, the HPFP would fail after the simple addition of a downpipe, sometimes even stock. And by fail I mean cease to provide fuel required for proper running conditions.

It's the DI seals not the HPFP that fails. That's what's making the crickets. There are plenty of photos of what they look like good and bad

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[yuicebox]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

It's the DI seals not the HPFP that fails. That's what's making the crickets. There are plenty of photos of what they look like good and bad

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It's not the DI seals which cause the cricket noise...

[thill]

Originally Posted by SillySaxon

It's the DI seals not the HPFP that fails. That's what's making the crickets. There are plenty of photos of what they look like good and bad

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The DI seals have nothing to do with the crickets. The crickets are caused by the high pressure fuel pump. And, although they are annoying, there is no evidence that indicated the crickets are causing any failures or issues outside of being really annoying.