BRZ vs BRZ STi

[switchlanez]

Another possibility is additional key weld points to increase chassis rigidity. It's easier and cheaper to do from the factory than in the aftermarket. The Nismo Z and TRD Sports M Celica had this done as they were being assembled.

[serialk11r]

Hmmm we have this contradiction between what Subaru officials have been telling the press (no FI) and people claiming that good sources are saying yes FI.

I hope it's a higher power NA, but I guess there is good evidence pointing towards FI. FI would be simple to add power, while the NA engine would probably need a lot of changes given what we've heard so far, IMO.

[switchlanez]

^The people saying FI is coming are stating claims w/ no evidence to back it. It's probably in reference to aftermarket FI. Subaru and Toyota have asserted to the press on multiple occasions that there is no intent for FI in the future of this car.

[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

^The people saying FI is coming are stating claims w/ no evidence to back it. It's probably in reference to aftermarket FI. Subaru and Toyota have asserted to the press on multiple occasions that there is no intent for FI in the future of this car.

Well in the car market they will never say "next year we are coming out with a better/more powerful/etc car because then folks would just wait for the next year to get it. So in this industry, what we have NOW is the "best" and that is the story they all stick by.

-Mike

[WingsofWar]

Originally Posted by AZP Installs

Well in the car market they will never say "next year we are coming out with a better/more powerful/etc car because then folks would just wait for the next year to get it. So in this industry, what we have NOW is the "best" and that is the story they all stick by.

-Mike

Well i wouldn't say never. It was apparent that Nissan was building a V-spec GTR shortly after the '08 rolled off the assembly line. Did people wait for the V-spec..yes...but ended up getting turned off by the huge extra premium and opted for the 09 models.

Zonda & Aston Martin sorta did the same thing claiming a "better" redesign is coming for the next Model years. But never really delivered any substance to it.

As far as Scion goes..Jack Hollis already has claimed a new model to come out every year for their FR-S production line. Does that translate to better models in the future? No! but it does suggest it.

Can we expect Subaru to follow suit? to keep ahead of FR-S/86 sales...more BRZ models are likely to appear in succession. But doesn't translate to more performance, unless the market demands it based on the first 2 years of sales which are projected to be BIG.

[switchlanez]

Originally Posted by AZP Installs

Well in the car market they will never say "next year we are coming out with a better/more powerful/etc car because then folks would just wait for the next year to get it. So in this industry, what we have NOW is the "best" and that is the story they all stick by.

-Mike

Not true for the new Impreza when a rep was asked about a turbo STI version in a few years and the rep did not say "No":
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Not true for the Veloster with a turbo version announced:
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Toyota corporate has trickled the "No FI" message down to the dealer sales rep level. There's evidence of this all over this forum. They could have left it ambiguous but it seems like both Toyota and Subaru are putting out effort to make sure the message comes across clear:
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[delongedoug]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Thanks, but that basically shows that it was just a quickly thrown together "concept"...CF panels, modified suspension, STI painted everywhere. If you want that, you can just buy carbon fiber texture 3m film, and lots of STI stickers, and some shocks for pretty little money.

The real one better have some actual stuff.

The problem I see with lightweight body panels is possibly high cost of repair. But if they can give fiberglass all around, that would be pretty cool.

Exactly. It's still a concept, but this BRZ STI is the most pathetic use of "STI" yet. The biggest thing they did is carbon fiber roof and hood, but they're already aluminum so you're just adding cost with almost no gain (or loss, in this case of weight) assuming it even reaches production. The rest is all parts catalog rice sprinkled on for the kiddies. It's basically a completely stock BRZ. Anything you wanted to modify, you could do far cheaper with far more options in the aftermarket. I don't know what they're trying to do here.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by delongedoug

Exactly. It's still a concept, but this BRZ STI is the most pathetic use of "STI" yet. The biggest thing they did is carbon fiber roof and hood, but they're already aluminum so you're just adding cost with almost no gain (or loss, in this case of weight) assuming it even reaches production. The rest is all parts catalog rice sprinkled on for the kiddies. It's basically a completely stock BRZ. Anything you wanted to modify, you could do far cheaper with far more options in the aftermarket. I don't know what they're trying to do here.

The hood is aluminum, I don't think we ever heard anything about the roof skin being aluminum.

[AVOturboworld]

Originally Posted by delongedoug

Anything you wanted to modify, you could do far cheaper with far more options in the aftermarket. I don't know what they're trying to do here.

In general, that's always been the case when it comes to STI.

But in regards to what they were trying to do... SoJ PR probably gave them a hand built prototype about 4 weeks before the Tokyo Auto Salon and said, hey, drop everything and make us something, *anything*, to put in the show. Actual and meaningful performance parts take 3-6 months to design, prototype, test, and then produce.

Regards,

Paul Hansen
www.avoturboworld.com
www.facebook.com/BRZSportsCarClub

[delongedoug]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The hood is aluminum, I don't think we ever heard anything about the roof skin being aluminum.

Yep, you're right. Still, hood would weigh as well as makes no difference the same. I wouldn't expect the roof to make it to production regardless.

Originally Posted by AVOturboworld

In general, that's always been the case when it comes to STI.

But in regards to what they were trying to do... SoJ PR probably gave them a hand built prototype about 4 weeks before the Tokyo Auto Salon and said, hey, drop everything and make us something, *anything*, to put in the show. Actual and meaningful performance parts take 3-6 months to design, prototype, test, and then produce.

Regards,

Paul Hansen
www.avoturboworld.com
www.facebook.com/BRZSportsCarClub

You're probably right. Same powerplant, I don't see any worthy suspension changes, it's the BRZ with some badges and glitter on it as far as I'm concerned.

[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Not true for the new Impreza when a rep was asked about a turbo STI version in a few years and the rep did not say "No":
[u2b]rpJxL8ZDsZw[/u2b]

Not true for the Veloster with a turbo version announced:
[u2b]_laBNs_kclc[/u2b]

Toyota corporate has trickled the "No FI" message down to the dealer sales rep level. There's evidence of this all over this forum. They could have left it ambiguous but it seems like both Toyota and Subaru are putting out effort to make sure the message comes across clear:
[u2b]1Gy0jy1aeC0[/u2b]

And back in 1999, subaru sai the wrx isnt coming here.

In 2002 they said no STi.

If you believe anything the hand models at auto shows say, or what the pathetic dealers say, then i cant help you....

-mike


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[switchlanez]

^Unlike those examples, turbocharging was never in this platform's design.

Originally Posted by Hachiroku

Via Top Gear Online:
Tada-san told me there were three key elements to the car for him, things he (together with his opposite number at Subaru, Toshio Masuda) had to fight for tooth and nail. One was to steer clear of turbocharging

It would require re-engineering and these 2 guys would have to have a hand in it.

[AZP Installs]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

^Unlike those examples, turbocharging was never in this platform's design.

It would require re-engineering and these 2 guys would have to have a hand in it.

Ok you are right. I give up. Care to wager? A friendly bet.



-mike

[switchlanez]

Plus a turbo would blur that line of separation with the Impreza STI successor. Might not be in Subaru's best interest from a marketing perspective.

And for the Toyota camp, there's been speculation of a higher end sports car (Supra successor). A turbo would steal some of its thunder. On a side note, Toyota already has the entry level FR-S and high end LFA. Just missing the Supra. Some can argue iQ is the entry level enthusiast car.