Honda CR-Z

[Kimsey47]

Originally Posted by jeffchap

I'd rather see this...

Looks like it says S2000 on the side, but that looks like a modern Honda Beat to me!

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

Ford has 2 hot hatches (both 4 doors), Honda has 0, Chevy has 0, Toyota has 0, Dodge has 0, Subaru has 0 (that are FWD), Mazda has 1 (also 4 door and a boat), Fiat has 1, VW has 1.

2 door, 4 door, whatever. Honda has the Civic Si, which you might not call a hot hatch but its K24 is about as racy as the turbo engine in a Ford, which is not racecar at all. Toyota does make the Corolla XRS, and the 2AR can easily make as much power as the K24. The Dart also comes with a 2.4.

Even without those 3, counting the ones on your list there are 5. How many RWD 4 cylinder sports cars are there? Twins, Miata, oh wait, that's it.

[Superhatch]

I'm not saying there is a ton of RWD 4 cyl sports cars out there. I'm just saying that there aren't a ton of actual hot hatches either.

The Corolla XRS isn't a hot hatch, or on par with any Type R that Honda ever released. It's a corolla with a bigger motor..and actually hasn't been in production for a while. In my mind a hot hatch is not only something with a racy motor, but also has suspension work, ideally some chassis work and is far above the standard offering. The Type R's being the ideal example.

Really...you went to the Dart? Should we just start listing any FWD car with a 4 cyl at this point?

[n2oinferno]

I'd just hope that they retain the back seat for North America. Don't care how small it is, the cubby holes look stupid and ROW gets it.

[Superhatch]

A lot of this in that new S2K rendering:

[Allch Chcar]

Killing the stick!? What the hell. That was the only good point to the IMA system anymore. The CRZ was never about numbers, even the MPG was and still is intentionally understated.

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

FWD = just another hot hatch.

The first mfg to get this through their heads and bring an affordable 200hp lightweight RWD sports car to the market will change the industry.

I don't know if you would call it a hothatch but BMW still sells their RWD 1 series HB in Europe. It competes directly against the Golf GTI. And it is available with the 135i engine. BMW figured out that RWD wasn't selling the car so they are switching to FWD. It's a great shame that they gave up on selling it here after the first generation.

Then you have Mazda and Ford who tune their FWD cars to behave like RWD. The Focus and Mazda3 for example.

Originally Posted by 448hpsti

Drove worse than a prius

Handling or power wise? Because the CRZ is better in both areas.

Originally Posted by Superhatch

I did like the original look of the front of the CRZ, the rear didn't look so great though. Honda seems to really be behind the curve now. A CRZ with an Si motor should have been an option from launch, not some afterthought now that they realize the BRZ is really exciting the market.

At least it looks better than a Civic. The CRZ with the Mugen body parts($$$$) looks noticeably better. But the stock body is so plain that Mugen stuff looks "ricey."

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Superhatch

I'm not saying there is a ton of RWD 4 cyl sports cars out there. I'm just saying that there aren't a ton of actual hot hatches either.

The Corolla XRS isn't a hot hatch, or on par with any Type R that Honda ever released. It's a corolla with a bigger motor..and actually hasn't been in production for a while. In my mind a hot hatch is not only something with a racy motor, but also has suspension work, ideally some chassis work and is far above the standard offering. The Type R's being the ideal example.

Really...you went to the Dart? Should we just start listing any FWD car with a 4 cyl at this point?

I went to the Dart because like the Civic Si and the XRS, they stuck a 2.4L almost 200hp motor in there, that makes it just as fast as a BRZ. The XRS has been made, they just use a 2AR instead of a 2ZZ. Throw stiff suspension on these cars and they're basically the same.

[448hpsti]

It handled fine , almost bordering on nice, but the power was just not enough for me or the wife at any given time

[Taro]

If they just brought back the CR-X, I'd be totally cool with that. I was really into the CR-X (along with the Supra) growing up as a kid. Probably a lot of Gran Turismo influenced that. The CR-Z was one of the most disappointing car launches in my lifetime.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I find it odd that I get more info about future Hondas on the FT86 Forums than I do on the actual Honda forums. Can't explain that!

I like it. I like that Honda has got the message but instead of revamping the CRZ I like the idea of the low hp, rwd roadster better.

I have a soft spot for Honda, what can I say? Still hoping Honda comes out with a legitimate FR-S/BRZ competitor.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Then you have Mazda and Ford who tune their FWD cars to behave like RWD. The Focus and Mazda3 for example.

A properly setup FWD car is absolute hoot to drive at the limit. It's just so rare to come across one because it's not the ideal (aka: safe) setup for a street car but I like how Mazda/Ford are moving in that direction, at least somewhat.