fun comparison of the day: the BRZ is the new BMW E30 M3

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Driftster

less than 350lb increase between e30 and e36...

The power went up from 200HP to 320Hp

and the price went from
34,810 (base sticker in 1988) to 39,700(Base sticker price in 1995)

Please don't leave out that the US didn't get the nice engine

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Driftster

of course, but my figures were based off of global averages..

The US e36 M3 is also substantially lighter than the european m3 although making less power..

the ES e30 M3 is also substantially heavier than the standard global e30 m3..
making their weight differences much much much smaller..

The suspension on the e30 m3 although fantastic was still not set up from the factory to deal with the changes that took place under the skin for the US market..

Unlike the e36...which was..

And as far as the "we didn't get the nice engine"

Call me crazy but i prefer the engine with less problems and slightly less power..
I'll take a much much less problematic vanos system, hydraulic lifters and a ridiculously easy ability to make power....

Over a constantly variable, constantly leaking, constantly out of sync vanos system that was all but thrown out within the first year and retooled from the ground up..

a solid lifter system that required valve lash adjustment after every track day

and a cam profile exhaust and intake setup that was pushed so close to it's power production limits you'd be lucky if you could squeeze 5HP out of the thing using less than 6,000 dollars...(without doing port work..which at the time no one would do)



So if you really want to cut it down to "the cars that were availible in...spokane washington on july 8th 1988" or some crap..then we're talkin


a 190HP 170ftlb m3 weighting just a few lbs under 3000lbs only being sold with all weather radials (as decent summer tires were a $$ option)

to a 240hp 230ftlb m3 wight just over 3200...and i mean JUUUUUUST over 3200...with nice summer tires standard





but as for my choice..

Give me a 1986 BMW 335i....best of the bunch.

Oh, I agree, the engine we got is a much more practical solution. It's just worth putting that information out there.

And did you mean 635? Loved the e24. It just exudes "landshark".

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by Driftster

a 190HP 170ftlb m3 weighting just a few lbs under 3000lbs only being sold with all weather radials (as decent summer tires were a $$ option)

to a 240hp 230ftlb m3 wight just over 3200...and i mean JUUUUUUST over 3200...with nice summer tires standard

You view the more powerful one as the obvious choice?

Originally Posted by Driftster

South Africa had a big market for performance cars at the time but they never got a e30 m3.,.

So they improvised..

They made their own..

Thanks for the CAR January 1986 scan. For anyone else interested, the other pages of the 333i article are at:

http://www.carmagblog.co.za/wp-conte...page-1and2.jpg
http://www.carmagblog.co.za/wp-conte...33i-page-3.jpg
http://www.carmagblog.co.za/wp-conte...33i-page-4.jpg

[torquemada]

Originally Posted by Driftster

...but i wouldn't feel so bad modifying the e30 m3 car.

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[pastuch]

Originally Posted by Eldorian

This thread reminds me of how ugly cars from the 80s were. Looks like the Hammerhead-i Eagle Thrust.

Wow... I think the E30 was one of the last good looking BMWs. I hate every single car they currently make except for the Z4 .

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by pastuch

Wow... I think the E30 was one of the last good looking BMWs. I hate every single car they currently make except for the Z4 .

The E30 looks like a carved BOX. What do you find attractive about a boxxy styled car?

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The E30 looks like a carved BOX. What do you find attractive about a boxxy styled car?

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win. - Enzo Ferrari

The e30 M3 is the winningest road-racer to date, and that makes everything about that car beautiful.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Mitch

Race cars are neither beautiful nor ugly. They become beautiful when they win. - Enzo Ferrari

The e30 M3 is the winningest road-racer to date, and that makes everything about that car beautiful.

That is an emotional statement.

[pastuch]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The E30 looks like a carved BOX. What do you find attractive about a boxxy styled car?

I think some of the older boxy cars are very sexy. The BMW 635 and E30 M3 in particular. I think they look muscular and yet refined at the same time. The E30 has the awesome old signature BMW lights. I'm a sucker for a nice front bumper and the E30 has it in spades. The tail end is a bit of a letdown but I still think it looks great. I also liked the E36 for similar reasons. The E46 is probably my favorite M3.

The E90 is fucking awful. I hate everything about it's bloated design. I hate the lights (front and back), lines, lower fascia, and every "Bangled" line on it. The new F30 looks less horrible but still VERY bad.

[Hanzo]

Hi that was my idea lol. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...0#post35829348

[Dave-ROR]

This one is overpriced (but still worth more than a new BRZ Limited IMO).. but if this had black interior.. I'd be incredibly tempted.

http://bringatrailer.com/2012/01/26/...e-1988-bmw-m3/

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

This one is overpriced (but still worth more than a new BRZ Limited IMO).. but if this had black interior.. I'd be incredibly tempted.

http://bringatrailer.com/2012/01/26/...e-1988-bmw-m3/

I would easily take a BRZ limited over that car in a heartbeat. I never saw the appeal in the e30 M3.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I would easily take a BRZ limited over that car in a heartbeat. I never saw the appeal in the e30 M3.

Driven one? Drivers car.. in spades.

[e30kawi]

If I could get a new e30 m3 today for the same price as a brz, I would pick it over the brz. I have always had a hard on for one, just cant spend that kind of money on an older car.