Replaced my OEM foglights with 3000k HIDs

[Tye300]

Originally Posted by TotsGT86

half the drivers in this forum would be able to drive in pinas bro ahah! including myself.

I'm sure. But someone complaining about glare would not.

[wbradley]

I had aftermarket Hellas way back on my new '85 Golf GTI. Yellow.

The ideal fog light disperses light really low to the ground and wide. This way in foggy conditions you can safely navigate the road while minimizing glare/reflection from the fog. It allows you to anticipate the terrain in fairly close range.

I dont see that effect with the glaring "spotlights" you seem to have with the HID bulbs. Perhaps the Subaru reflector/H11 is better.

Otherwise, if things are that bad on night roads you need bush lighting like a rally car. The things are spotlights, not meant for regular use and oncoming traffic.

[Perry]

Originally Posted by Tye300

I ordered subaru outback foglight housings which takes H11 bulbs. These housings will take more heat compared to the stock flimsy ones. The lenses on these housings are beefier and I don't really know why they made the stock ones while the subaru ones pretty much bolt on. Weight savings perhaps. The housings arrived the other day and I got around to installing the H11 fogs into it.



The housings need a little modification to bolt on. You need to trim these little hangers so it will clear the metal mount we have on the 86.


Everything pretty much bolts on, took me around 10 mins to bolt everything up. Since I put the H11 HID bulb in the stock housing, the light output was not as focused because the housing was not designed for an H11 bulb. With the outback ones, which are designed for the H11 bulb the output is really good and focused. Here are some light output pics:

Ground cutoff:


Stock Housing with HID: (for comparison)

Light Output Fogs only:

Headlight Only:

Headlight and Fogs:

Output against a wall:

MOA parking area?. Good looking car pare.

[Tye300]

Originally Posted by Perry

MOA parking area?. Good looking car pare.

Thanks. That's SM Masinag's parking lot.

[n2oinferno]

Hah, so the foglights actually output light above the factory lights.. yeeeah..

Anyway, if your roads really are as bad as you say and you need more light, you don't want fog lights. They aim low and wide, and you can see this in the patterns where there's some glare up high but not a whole lot of output. You want some driving lights that have beams that will output a longer distance than your headlights. I'm assuming you're actually driving at speed and not creeping along at 5mph, so by focusing all of this light in front of your car, you're doing the exact opposite and drawing your vision in. And if the roads are that bad, you're putting yourself at risk by not looking ahead.

OR.. we have the more common, but less admitted to, "I like how it looks, so no matter what the actual science behind it is, I'm going to keep it."

edit: better picture, since the original was stolen/chopped from this

[Tye300]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

Hah, so the foglights actually output light above the factory lights.. yeeeah..

Anyway, if your roads really are as bad as you say and you need more light, you don't want fog lights. They aim low and wide, and you can see this in the patterns where there's some glare up high but not a whole lot of output. You want some driving lights that have beams that will output a longer distance than your headlights. I'm assuming you're actually driving at speed and not creeping along at 5mph, so by focusing all of this light in front of your car, you're doing the exact opposite and drawing your vision in. And if the roads are that bad, you're putting yourself at risk by not looking ahead.

OR.. we have the more common, but less admitted to, "I like how it looks, so no matter what the actual science behind it is, I'm going to keep it."

edit: better picture, since the original was stolen/chopped from this

Or maybe, you're just overthinking based on the pictures. The pictures were shot right after the foglight housings were installed. They come with an adjustment screw that you can tilt to adjust the aim. The light output is exactly what is in your picture now. The fogs light up the sides of the road like oem fogs do, oh wait, they are oem subaru fogs! I think FR-S owners frown on this mod because the FR-S does not come with foglights from the factory. Most 86s in japan and here have done this mod and consider this a must do. PIAA and some JDM tuners even came out with kits selling practically the same thing with HIDs. I've seen some FR-S owners doing the mod also with some additional wiring to pull it off.
I hope more members of this forum would be more open minded than just hating on mods that they haven't got firsthand experience on. I believe in the science of things as you do, and I believe that these do the job like oem.
Yes, the roads here are that bad, and I understand how fog lights should work, and I look ahead while driving.

[n2oinferno]

It's your money so do what you want.

It's still rigging up an arc tube into a housing with optics engineered for a filament bulb. It has nothing to do with not being open minded, or hating, or herd mentality, or any other excuse. That's the actual science behind it. You say you're open minded, well, the setup is improperly engineered and will cause hotspotting and glare to oncoming traffic. I don't want to sound like a ****, but there it is.

This is where I step out though. Every time the HID thing comes up it ends up like arguing with a wall. People will do whatever they feel like, right or wrong, because that's what they want to do.

[Young_makaveli]

Originally Posted by RidetheTran

I hope you know you are blinding on coming traffic...theres a reason why manufacturers don't use HID's in fogs. If you want a better output for your fog lights, my honest advice would be to replace those HID's with LED's. They're bright but not nearly as blinding.

I agree with this

[Tye300]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

It's your money so do what you want.

It's still rigging up an arc tube into a housing with optics engineered for a filament bulb. It has nothing to do with not being open minded, or hating, or herd mentality, or any other excuse. That's the actual science behind it. You say you're open minded, well, the setup is improperly engineered and will cause hotspotting and glare to oncoming traffic. I don't want to sound like a ****, but there it is.

This is where I step out though. Every time the HID thing comes up it ends up like arguing with a wall. People will do whatever they feel like, right or wrong, because that's what they want to do.

You say you dont want to sound like a a****, but you just did in your first comment. Anyway I agree with you about the hotspotting, that is if the bulb you use is not the correct size for the housing. It would be glaring to oncoming traffic if I used a 55W ballast, but I used a 35W. You said it yourself that the foglights are too low. I hope I can show my car in person to you to show you that it is not as bad as you think. Here's a better shot with the fogs aimed correctly. It looks exactly like your diagram.

[suaveflooder]

They look GREAT OP. I've had this EXACT set up on two of my cobras and my M3. NEVER had a issue with people flashing me. I have gotten flashed with the OEM lighting on an 84 Mustang....go figure...

Lot of hate in this thread. Funny, I don't see them making your car payments??? My opinion... who cares what they think?

I have aftermarket HID's in my headlight housings....you guys are more than willing to PM me your hate on how I'm blinding everyone. I will laugh at every single PM

And for those crying about blinding on coming traffic