LOLing at the guys on the370z.com

[Stigmaru]

Originally Posted by pastuch

I could walk out and buy a brand new 370z for cash right now... but they have terrible interior ergonomics and design, a so-so manual transmission, they are the least reliable car that Nissan makes, they get terrible gas mileage and they are grotesquely overpriced in Canada. Beautiful car though and it's a massive step up from the 350z in almost every way. I HATED the 350z.

Note: I'm a former G35 owner and I've driven many 350/70s. The M6 in the 350z is an absolute shit box, feels like the transmission in a 2010 Genesis Coupe. The 2011 GC transmission and later model year 350zs are a little better but still just awful.

350z purists would say the 370z sucks

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by AeroWRX

350z purists would say the 370z sucks

Yeah but the 370 id the better performing car

[mines13]

Originally Posted by fatoni

Yeah but the 370 id the better performing car

Yes, it's also a better car. Double wishbone front suspension, wider track width, shorter wheelbase and lighter. I spent 5 years of my life working on 350Z, G35, G37, 370Z... Honestly, not really a fan of any of them personally, but I am a bit jaded.

[MarkRacerX]

2700-2800lbs BRZ/FR-S , Aren't Z's like 33XXlbs ? 5XXlbs difference is quite a lot of BEEF !!

Not pair w/ TRD Blower while being 500lbs lighter than Z , Game on!!

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by MarkRacerX

2700-2800lbs BRZ/FR-S , Aren't Z's like 33XXlbs ? 5XXlbs difference is qui
te a lot of BEEF !!

Not pair w/ TRD Blower while being 500lbs lighter than Z , Game on!!

You can do that to the z too.

[MarkRacerX]

Originally Posted by fatoni

You can do that to the z too.

You sure can....but still would have the Big Weight Advantage, just like your Miata, lacks in power, yet makes up in Handling! I see all the time at Autocross, a nicely prep Miata can run same times/faster than higher hp cars!

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by MiguelAE86

lol there are just no hopes on making stubborn people happy. A true car guy enjoys anything with 4-wheels.

You are being too dramatic here. a person that enjoy every and any car is a idoit cause to me cars are like people the each have their own unquie characteristics be it the way they drive, look or how long the last but some cars have terrible things about them and like people you can't like them all but there are some we can tolerate a lot more.

Ford Pinto = Known for erupting into flame in rear-end collisions. A generally a openly hated car

Lamborghini Diablo = Known for engine fires but beloved by most

Lighten up and BTW wouldn't a true car guy enjoy 3 wheelers like the Morgan 3 wheeler or the T-Rex trike


Purist hate everything. The 370z is the better car for sure tho I was curious if the update resolved heat issues or brake issues?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by MarkRacerX

You sure can....but still would have the Big Weight Advantage, just like your Miata, lacks in power, yet makes up in Handling! I see all the time at Autocross, a nicely prep Miata can run same times/faster than higher hp cars!

yeah i get that but i think its common for people to get over enthused by handling. were talking about triple digit power advantages. the fastest production cars are all heavier than any real enthusiast would like. i have a miata because i appreciate the sport. if i were after lap times, i would probably not go with the frs. dollar for dollar or otherwise.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by fatoni

the fastest production cars are all heavier than any real enthusiast would like

Actually they really aren't other than the Veyron (4100)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...roduction_cars

Ultimate Aero = 2850
Koenigsegg CCR = 2600
McLaren F1 = 2500

And SSC new Tuatara est top speed 276mph weight 2750

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

Actually they really aren't other than the Veyron (4100)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...roduction_cars

Ultimate Aero = 2850
Koenigsegg CCR = 2600
McLaren F1 = 2500

And SSC new Tuatara est top speed 276mph weight 2750

The point is that they are fast because of power. Not weight. If weight mattered more than power you would see the miata and Elise in that talk.

[miata]

It's weight/power ratio that matters.... assuming all the engineers did the sensible thing with the transmission gear ratios.

[ZDan]

^^^^ What he said. Power/weight is everything for most performance contests (acceleration, road course lap times).
That said, for outright top speed, power *is* most important.

For purity/joy of driving, lighter weight wins by a huge margin (for me, anyway).

For lap times, sure, a Mustang GT will be faster than a Miata, because it has much better power/weight.

Anyone buying based purely on lap time potential (basically, power/weight), won't be buying an FR-S, BRZ, or Miata. But they'll be missing out big-time on the fun of driving a reasonably lightweight (or at least not obscenely overweight) rwd sports/sporty car.

It is frustrating that no one builds a reasonably priced, reasonable weight rwd sports car with decent power/weight.

Mazda builds a 265 (or whatever) hp Speed3. Why no 265hp Miata?! Why no 265hp RX-8?!

Now, same thing with FR-S/BRZ. Doh...

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by mines13

Yes, it's also a better car. Double wishbone front suspension, wider track width, shorter wheelbase and lighter. I spent 5 years of my life working on 350Z, G35, G37, 370Z... Honestly, not really a fan of any of them personally, but I am a bit jaded.

I don't think everyone in the Z community would agree that the 370 is "better". Regarding front suspension, it's not like the 350Z has struts up front.

Track width, OK, but then again I'm not a fan of increased bigness...

Shorter wheelbase looked promising, as the 350Z's rear wheels were shoved way aft for no apparent reason like some fwd car, and its weight distribution suffered for it (~54/46). But whatever weight distribution benefits the 370Z got from moving the rear wheels forward must've been offset by increased weight up front, because it has the same f/r weight distribution! Which is pretty poor for a 2-seat FR sports car.

Lighter weight? This was promised, but not delivered. The lightest stock 350Zs weighed 3300 lb., and the lightest 370Zs weigh the same amount.

One huge advantage of the 350Z is that you can put it on the track and drive it for pretty much as long as you want. 370Z, one or two laps without the oil cooler, 4-6 laps with. LAME.

What Nissan *should* do (IMHO, of course):
Build a new 250SX similar in spec to the FR-S/BRZ. Tweak the Altima 2.5 4cyl for 225 or so hp.
Base a NEW smaller/lighter-weight Z on that platform, with the engine and front seats moved way aft on the same wheelbase (no rear seats of course). Offer the 2.5 n/a and turbo'd. If the oversized/overweight 3.7 V6 is what's causing the current Z's nose to sit so ridiculously high up in the air and giving it poor weight distribution, DON'T USE IT. If it must have a 6, make one that's smaller/lighter.
Ferchrissakes keep it light and keep the front end LOW.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by ZDan

^^^^ What he said. Power/weight is everything for most performance contests (acceleration, road course lap times).
That said, for outright top speed, power *is* most important.

For purity/joy of driving, lighter weight wins by a huge margin (for me, anyway).

For lap times, sure, a Mustang GT will be faster than a Miata, because it has much better power/weight.

Anyone buying based purely on lap time potential (basically, power/weight), won't be buying an FR-S, BRZ, or Miata. But they'll be missing out big-time on the fun of driving a reasonably lightweight (or at least not obscenely overweight) rwd sports/sporty car.

It is frustrating that no one builds a reasonably priced, reasonable weight rwd sports car with decent power/weight.

Mazda builds a 265 (or whatever) hp Speed3. Why no 265hp Miata?! Why no 265hp RX-8?!

Now, same thing with FR-S/BRZ. Doh...

the mustang gt also corners harder than the miata. power to weight is nice but cars really do need to handle well. i dont think mazda has any intention on building a more powerful miata for a couple reasons. they want that car to be about balance, they already had a f/i miata that didnt sell well, and it doesnt really make the miata any more fun