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[SpyderMS]

Originally Posted by AzFranz

Of course in 22 years of driving I have never had a speeding ticket or a wreck.

You're clearly not driving the car like you should be :P

Originally Posted by Ninjin

For me the interface is okay. Some hardcore people (@nelsmar) need physical buttons and Android would probably drive them insane. The real selling point is the connectedness of the camera. All the photos I take are automatically uploaded to G+ with instant upload, which is awesome. And I can send photos through drop box or email with a couple taps.

Editing on the camera itself is also pretty cool. The one thing I really need is the ability to shoot in raw, and it looks like the Galaxy NX will be able to do that.

With EyeFi you could do all of this as well. I haven't set mine up to transfer to my phone yet... I should get around to that. I was pretty disappointed with it's batch transfer speed to my computer; but if it transferred each individual photo to my phone, which then uploaded to G+/Dropbox, I probably wouldn't really notice the speed.

I'm not hardcore enough where I can comfortably and quickly change settings just by 'feeling' the buttons, and I am a huge Android fanboy, so I think I would like it if the interface was done well, and if there were enough features that couldn't easily be done using an EyeFi. Sony's new QX10 and QX100 'lens cameras' for cell phones are really intriguing as well; especially their 'sleeper' factor, being able to get them into venues many DSLRs could not.

Originally Posted by Yruyur

Or get a wifi sd card that transfers pics to your phone to upload.

Ive been eyeballing an eye-fi for this prupose.

Yep, that's why I got mine but I've yet to really make use of it. Mostly just stick with my 32GB card because it's faster to transfer from it via USB3 than it is from the Eye-Fi over WiFi

Originally Posted by Boblhead

$99 for a 16gb eyefi card T_T no thanks

As YruYur said, the 8GB is considerably cheaper. You don't need to worry as much about storage with this card, as you can set it up to auto-delete photos as they're transferred to your phone/computer. It essentially gives you 'unlimited' storage.

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Originally Posted by RedLeader

Tucson people: still doing drinks and tacos at Sir Vezas tomorrow?


Sent from...somewhere?

Sir Vesa's sounds fun but I plan on taking the Vette to the track tomorrow maybe the FR-S to for a base line but it’s never going to be a speed demon with my concerns about voiding the warranty lol.

Originally Posted by FR-Shadow

hahaha, yes we both got the same intake on the same deal...but mine will not have the decals on the airbox.

as for heat the AZ air is so hot anyways mixed in with the temp of the engine bay i dont think it will really matter that much...would it?

However I did notice a post that I wanted to touch on. Yes the under hood and outside ambient air temps are higher than other area's however the air going into the intake is effected by those Aluminum pipes. We tested this in a few different ways on a few Corvettes.

1) We did an Aluminum Intake Manifold (BBK) and Aluminum Bellow (Area between the filter and tb basically). It was easy to see the effects of heat soak on the Intake Manifold since it was attached to the engine, after a cruise it was too hot to touch. However on the 2000 and below Vettes the IAT is not built into the MAF so it mounts in the bellow. That bellow still reached temps of 130 degrees and higher.

2) We left everything only changing the intake manifold to the Fast 90. After a cruise we could touch the Intake. It was still hot to the touch but you didn't need to pull your hand away in pain... nor could you cook anything on it.... The IAT went down some as heat was not as high behind it and coming forward through the pieces but it was still around 120 at the high points.

3) We went to a K&N Plastic Bridge and the Fast 90. With this one we saw that the temps dropped to 107-10 at the high points.

I think I still have the logs on all of this. But as you can see while moving air did bring the temps back down the metal style ones held in more heat which of course caused hotter air into the intake. Also remember the engine is going to be around 180-220 degree's (Now this I am pulling from LSx vehicles I would think ours would be close but I have not spent enough time around them to claim this as accurate) so while its hot to us it’s not as hot as the metal its already interacting with, however yes with temps in the 80's I am sure the car's would be much happier as would everyone else so long as it wasn't humid....

This was the main reason I have been looking into keeping the front inlet from the factory but I think it could use some modification after looking at pictures.
With a Corvette we pull air from the front bumper with plastic separating the radiator inlet and air inlet so the heat doesn't transfer. Also one pulls from lower down which due to the pavement will be warmer and one pulls from the nose of the car which will have cooled some in that short distance as well as constantly being moved which also helps.

From what I see with the FR-S so far we have that tube to act as an inlet for cooler air brought through the front bumper. What I want to see with the front bumper off (pictures help and I have been looking while at work but it has been a busy day) if we can move that inlet down and keep it a composite plastic material it should be very effective and pull in air from the front bumper in a similar but has to make a turn to meet the airbox. However it also might require opening the blocked off vent holes which I will admit I already wasn't fond of... but it could also be that the bumper support is right there I have yet to find out. Which would mean we need to move things further down etc.

Either way just some thought and rambling from my end... *shrugs*

[Evil86]

Originally Posted by AzFranz

22 years of driving I have never had a speeding ticket or a wreck.

Wow, impressive. At one time I thought it perfectly normal to get a ticket or two every year - just part of the cost of driving.

Then I got three tickets in a year, and it was then I learned most people never are ticketed. I was statically significant. Because of my drving record, I had to go two years witout a ticket so I wouldn't lose my license.

I made it, but since then, I have aagain been ticketed.

Btw, in addition to tickets, I have talked my way out of 8 tickets in the last fifteen years.

So congrats.

[dsrttigr]

Originally Posted by Cross

Sir Vesa's sounds fun but I plan on taking the Vette to the track tomorrow maybe the FR-S to for a base line but it’s never going to be a speed demon with my concerns about voiding the warranty lol.

However I did notice a post that I wanted to touch on. Yes the under hood and outside ambient air temps are higher than other area's however the air going into the intake is effected by those Aluminum pipes. We tested this in a few different ways on a few Corvettes.

1) We did an Aluminum Intake Manifold (BBK) and Aluminum Bellow (Area between the filter and tb basically). It was easy to see the effects of heat soak on the Intake Manifold since it was attached to the engine, after a cruise it was too hot to touch. However on the 2000 and below Vettes the IAT is not built into the MAF so it mounts in the bellow. That bellow still reached temps of 130 degrees and higher.

2) We left everything only changing the intake manifold to the Fast 90. After a cruise we could touch the Intake. It was still hot to the touch but you didn't need to pull your hand away in pain... nor could you cook anything on it.... The IAT went down some as heat was not as high behind it and coming forward through the pieces but it was still around 120 at the high points.

3) We went to a K&N Plastic Bridge and the Fast 90. With this one we saw that the temps dropped to 107-10 at the high points.

I think I still have the logs on all of this. But as you can see while moving air did bring the temps back down the metal style ones held in more heat which of course caused hotter air into the intake. Also remember the engine is going to be around 180-220 degree's (Now this I am pulling from LSx vehicles I would think ours would be close but I have not spent enough time around them to claim this as accurate) so while its hot to us it’s not as hot as the metal its already interacting with, however yes with temps in the 80's I am sure the car's would be much happier as would everyone else so long as it wasn't humid....

This was the main reason I have been looking into keeping the front inlet from the factory but I think it could use some modification after looking at pictures.
With a Corvette we pull air from the front bumper with plastic separating the radiator inlet and air inlet so the heat doesn't transfer. Also one pulls from lower down which due to the pavement will be warmer and one pulls from the nose of the car which will have cooled some in that short distance as well as constantly being moved which also helps.

From what I see with the FR-S so far we have that tube to act as an inlet for cooler air brought through the front bumper. What I want to see with the front bumper off (pictures help and I have been looking while at work but it has been a busy day) if we can move that inlet down and keep it a composite plastic material it should be very effective and pull in air from the front bumper in a similar but has to make a turn to meet the airbox. However it also might require opening the blocked off vent holes which I will admit I already wasn't fond of... but it could also be that the bumper support is right there I have yet to find out. Which would mean we need to move things further down etc.

Either way just some thought and rambling from my end... *shrugs*

V8's take longer to heat up and cool down. My SN95 soaks up a lot of heat compared to FR-S, I can tell by how hot garage gets after I park one in there. Boxer motor sits so low everything gets heat soaked above it. I'm guessing that's why most turbo boxers have hood scoops. I don't see intake material making much difference in the desert on a NA boxer motor. Maybe start a thread in technical section and hope someone has tested the difference?

[jeffsides]

Originally Posted by BugeyedWagon

New intake with more carbon...

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How many of these intakes are out there? I thought there were only a couple. I'm seeing them all over instagram now.

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Originally Posted by Evil86

Wow, impressive. At one time I thought it perfectly normal to get a ticket or two every year - just part of the cost of driving.

Then I got three tickets in a year, and it was then I learned most people never are ticketed. I was statically significant. Because of my drving record, I had to go two years witout a ticket so I wouldn't lose my license.

I made it, but since then, I have aagain been ticketed.

Btw, in addition to tickets, I have talked my way out of 8 tickets in the last fifteen years.

So congrats.

I had quite a few tickets my self up until 2005 then I settled down... kind of. I just stopped acting as I did then the majority of the time.

However this year has been strange I have gotten 3 so far, 1 for speeding, 1 for exhibition of speed (dismissed) and the last one for supposedly failing to stop at the stop sign off I-10 and Marana into my housing community at 10:30pm... that too was dismissed. It has made me think about my driving again and be a little more careful, but I will admit I have been having a little fun with the FR-S too...

On a side note bought the DRL, Reverse and Switchback Signal LED's today. Looking at those mirrors someone here mentioned to because that blind spot really bothers me but I would like to see those in action before buying them... not sure I like the blue tint on them.

As for AzFranz, good on you wish I could say the same but then I also have some interesting memories from the antics of those tickets back in my early twenties and late teens.

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Originally Posted by dsrttigr

V8's take longer to heat up and cool down. My SN95 soaks up a lot of heat compared to FR-S, I can tell by how hot garage gets after I park one in there. Boxer motor sits so low everything gets heat soaked above it. I'm guessing that's why most turbo boxers have hood scoops. I don't see intake material making much difference in the desert on a NA boxer motor. Maybe start a thread in technical section and hope someone has tested the difference?

Block material can be a big part of that too, when I did the 408 I went to an Iron Block, I have noticed how much longer it retains heat compared to the factory aluminum block that was in it.

But I wouldn't think they take longer to heat up considering the additional cylinders firing I would expect that to be closer to the same although there is the extra material to disburse the heat... could be a fun test to undertake.

I would still expect to see intake material retain and gather heat even in the desert. Think of it like this if it was 200+ degree's outside and the wind was blowing providing air temps of 100 to 120, wouldn't you think that would feel cooler? Just a practical thought by no means is it scientific or meant to be rude sometimes things come off that way online. (Also if it was 200+ degree's outside I think we might notice a mushroom cloud and some other ill effect too but that's besides the point...)

[chrisbfrs]

Originally Posted by Evil86

Wow, impressive. At one time I thought it perfectly normal to get a ticket or two every year - just part of the cost of driving.

Then I got three tickets in a year, and it was then I learned most people never are ticketed. I was statically significant. Because of my drving record, I had to go two years witout a ticket so I wouldn't lose my license.

I made it, but since then, I have aagain been ticketed.

Btw, in addition to tickets, I have talked my way out of 8 tickets in the last fifteen years.

So congrats.

I already have a racing ticket on my record which is criminal traffic not civil so I've accumulated over 8 points from last year in my Trans Am...I wasn't racing either BTW. Just wrong place at wrong time and the fast looking car got pulled over. I should have got a lawyer and fought it.
And just a few weeks back I got pulled over and sheriff's deputy gave me a reckless driving ticket which is another crimimal traffic, another at least 8 points.
So I have a lawyer fighting this one for me because I was not driving recklessly. I paid a grip of money but will save me from losing license and save me money in the long run.

These are also my only 2 speeding tickets in 15 years of driving, and aren't even legitimate.

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[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by Cross

Wall of text

This car, from the factory, has an entirely plastic intake, all the way from the snorkel (in front of the filter) to the block (even the manifold is plastic). Plastic doesn't really heat soak and doesn't really hold heat like a metal intake does. I don't think that, on an NA car, the amount of aluminum/titanium any of these intakes are adding is going to make a marked difference in IAT's, most are adding less than a foot of aluminum piping. However, since this car has a MAF/IAT sensor combo, instead of a MAP/IAT sensor combo, or a "blow through" MAF like many factory turbo cars, it's very difficult to get an accurate IAT reading. This problem is more of an issue with my Innovate SC, because it retains the factory MAF/IAT sensor and location, which leaves it well before the charger and makes the IAT sensor readings nearly worthless.


As for moving the inlet pipe lower, there isn't really any other suitable location to pull air from, as the inlet is actually forward of any other heat source in the car (radiator, AC condensor, fans, engine). The only other likely location would be to put it behind the fog light grills, but that wouldn't do much except expose it to more water and present an unnecessary engineering and design challenge to getting the piping down there. As we found this last weekend on the dyno, the stock air system for this car is actually incredibly effective with only marginal, if any, gains noticed from changing to an aftermarket intake. Many of us came to the conclusion that the best way to make any power with this car NA in the name of bolt-ons is change the filter element (pick your favorite) and install the exhaust system of your choice, provided you leave enough restriction in the system to maintain the velocity. Many of the aftermarket intakes or full-open exhausts actually lost power, or torque when compared to the factory intake system and proper exhaust setup.

[dsrttigr]

Originally Posted by Cross

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The breeze is on the inside of intake piping . This subject did cross my mind for a second while I selected the Powder coated option during purchase.

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Originally Posted by RedLeader

This car, from the factory, has an entirely plastic intake, all the way from the snorkel (in front of the filter) to the block (even the manifold is plastic). Plastic doesn't really heat soak and doesn't really hold heat like a metal intake does. I don't think that, on an NA car, the amount of aluminum/titanium any of these intakes are adding is going to make a marked difference in IAT's, most are adding less than a foot of aluminum piping. However, since this car has a MAF/IAT sensor combo, instead of a MAP/IAT sensor combo, or a "blow through" MAF like many factory turbo cars, it's very difficult to get an accurate IAT reading. This problem is more of an issue with my Innovate SC, because it retains the factory MAF/IAT sensor and location, which leaves it well before the charger and makes the IAT sensor readings nearly worthless.


As for moving the inlet pipe lower, there isn't really any other suitable location to pull air from, as the inlet is actually forward of anything else in the car (radiator, AC condensor, fans). The only other likely location would be to put it behind the fog light grills, but that wouldn't do much except expose it to more water and present an unnecessary engineering and design challenge to getting the piping down there. As we found this last weekend on the dyno, the stock air system for this car is actually incredibly effective with only marginal, if any, gains noticed from changing to an aftermarket intake. Many of us came to the conclusion that the best way to make any power with this car NA in the name of bolt-ons is change the filter element (pick your favorite) and install the exhaust system of your choice, provided you leave enough restriction in the system to maintain the velocity. Many of the aftermarket intakes or full-open exhausts actually lost power, or torque when compared to the factory intake system and proper exhaust setup.

LOL I like the Wall of text quote, good one.

That's why we did test 2 I outlined, with the 01+ Vette's the IAT moved inside the MAF and I can't say for sure as I don't have HP Tuners and those logs here at work but I remember the IAT's being lower however the MAF/IAT was before the air bridge. If it can heat up it has to be cooled down with the movement of air, would it be a big noticeable issue is the question and honestly it would be one that required you to test with a ambient or cooler pipe then test again after running the car at idle say for awhile compared to a stock one. However I doubt it would result in more than a 2-3hp/trq difference but it will result in more fuel obviously at those times because the PCM will be changing the mixture. But then again with pulling timing it could be noticeable... maybe a better test would be to see how much timing is pulled if any in those scenario's as well as if the STFT changes due to them?
I again can only run tests of this nature on the Vette or other Domestics that work with HP Tuners, I have not really gotten to the point of looking into tuning software for the FR-S yet. However since it is higher compression I have thought about running E85 in it as I do my Vette with the ability to switch back and forth for longer cruises.

I am not surprised to hear air intakes provide little gains, the factory has actually become quite effective at getting all they can within the limits set for them. I had planned on leaving the resonator I saw in the exhaust and just using a Borla Muffler single in dual out to change the exhaust to my personal liking. The headers item I plan to ask about tonight when I stop back by the dealer, seems I left my garage door opener there.

In your dyno test did you see any results from headers or was that tried? Looking at the factory exhaust I am curious how much it could be improved upon but then the picture I found may not have been of actual oem factory exhaust I will have to look again.

[dsrttigr]

Originally Posted by Cross

In your dyno test did you see any results from headers or was that tried? Looking at the factory exhaust I am curious how much it could be improved upon but then the picture I found may not have been of actual oem factory exhaust I will have to look again.

Someone with similar mods as me @Bonks86 lol dyno'd almost 30whp higher than me. He had catless headers and I didn't.

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Originally Posted by dsrttigr

The breeze is on the inside of intake piping . This subject did cross my mind for a second while I selected the Powder coated option during purchase.

Still the air outside of it is still hot too correct so it has to over come the heat of the pipe and the heat being generated by the engine is not reflected as much as the metal will adsorb that heat basically where as the plastic does not have that issue as much.

Originally Posted by dsrttigr

Someone with similar mods as me @Bonks86 lol dyno'd almost 30whp higher than me. He had catless headers and I didn't.

Thanks, I now will be looking to complete that here shortly although I am going to have to run some type of cat to keep from voiding the warranty or getting a CEL. Not sure the whole use an anti-fouler trick would work here.

Sounds like Headers are a good modification here unlike the S2000's.

[Bonks86]

Originally Posted by Cross

LOL I like the Wall of text quote, good one.

That's why we did test 2 I outlined, with the 01+ Vette's the IAT moved inside the MAF and I can't say for sure as I don't have HP Tuners and those logs here at work but I remember the IAT's being lower however the MAF/IAT was before the air bridge. If it can heat up it has to be cooled down with the movement of air, would it be a big noticeable issue is the question and honestly it would be one that required you to test with a ambient or cooler pipe then test again after running the car at idle say for awhile compared to a stock one. However I doubt it would result in more than a 2-3hp/trq difference but it will result in more fuel obviously at those times because the PCM will be changing the mixture. But then again with pulling timing it could be noticeable... maybe a better test would be to see how much timing is pulled if any in those scenario's as well as if the STFT changes due to them?
I again can only run tests of this nature on the Vette or other Domestics that work with HP Tuners, I have not really gotten to the point of looking into tuning software for the FR-S yet. However since it is higher compression I have thought about running E85 in it as I do my Vette with the ability to switch back and forth for longer cruises.

I am not surprised to hear air intakes provide little gains, the factory has actually become quite effective at getting all they can within the limits set for them. I had planned on leaving the resonator I saw in the exhaust and just using a Borla Muffler single in dual out to change the exhaust to my personal liking. The headers item I plan to ask about tonight when I stop back by the dealer, seems I left my garage door opener there.

In your dyno test did you see any results from headers or was that tried? Looking at the factory exhaust I am curious how much it could be improved upon but then the picture I found may not have been of actual oem factory exhaust I will have to look again.

JDL Header
JDL Overpipe
Invidia N1
Invidia Catless Midpipe
Injen Intake

Thick Line is E85 Thin is 91oct