FR-S vs S2000

[catharsis]

Originally Posted by Mike

flywheel, not wheel.

Not at all unrealistic considering I get that from an exhaust and tune on my s2k (albeit, 2.2). Ultimately, AUC of the 2.0 and 2.2 on the s2ks are more or less equal, regardless of peak hp.

I just don't see the point in talking flywheel numbers. Maybe that's just me.

Also hate to say it but the f20c and f22c are Honda motors, and Honda is better than Subie at building NA motors. Not to mention f20c and f22c are some of their best motors ever. Plus this car is suppose to be cheaper. Don't expect the same amount of refinement from a Honda motor like the f22c in this new motor.

[Mike]

Originally Posted by catharsis

I just don't see the point in talking flywheel numbers. Maybe that's just me.

Also hate to say it but the f20c and f22c are Honda motors, and Honda is better than Subie at building NA motors. Not to mention f20c and f22c are some of their best motors ever. Plus this car is suppose to be cheaper. Don't expect the same amount of refinement from a Honda motor like the f22c in this new motor.

I'm comparing it to a K20, which came in cars cheaper than the FRS/BRZ/FT, and make 260 at the fly with boltons. The K responds far better to mods than the F. Lets not forget the F is a 15 year old design now.

Wheel numbers mean little to me because it changes so dramatically with minor tweaks.

[HNDAgoon]

I don't know who has Gran Turismo 5 for ps3 but if you do I'd suggest driving them both on a track like the nurburgring. (The 2012 ft-86 came as gift in my car delivery, I don't know if everyone got it?). Now I know it isn't just like real life but it does give you a bit of the "feel" of both of these cars.

Give both cars the same tires like (sports soft) and turn off the assists and drive them back to back on the same track. For me the s2000 was a bit harder to drive at the limit but ultimatley faster. The back end would easily come around requiring you to be "on your toes" the whole time. It also felt a little heavier going around the turns even though there is only a 20kg difference in the game.

The FT-86 on the other hand felt much lighter and also dartier. It was much easier to drive at the limit and seemed to inspire confidence. It was very neutral but sided toward understeer at the limit.

You can take what you want from this as it was just my observations based on a video game.

[Hype]

I own a S2k, and was thinking about getting rid of it for a BRZ. I really wish they would have went turbo/AWD for the STI version though.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Hype

I own a S2k, and was thinking about getting rid of it for a BRZ. I really wish they would have went turbo/AWD for the STI version though.

Then buy an STI. AWD is NOT what this car was built for. Though I am interested in your reason to "trade down" from a purpose-built roadster to this car.

[Stigmaru]

Originally Posted by Hype

I own a S2k, and was thinking about getting rid of it for a BRZ. I really wish they would have went turbo/AWD for the STI version though.

You sound like a Nasioc forum member. Don't get why you just don't buy a wrx sti? Don't even see any logic in Subaru or Toyota competing against themself in the awd turbo market now tat Mitsubishi is temporarily gone. A awd BRZ will be a different car completely...u just want to get a WRX and do a custom BRZ plastic surgery?

Originally Posted by HNDAgoon

I don't know who has Gran Turismo 5 for ps3 but if you do I'd suggest driving them both on a track like the nurburgring. (The 2012 ft-86 came as gift in my car delivery, I don't know if everyone got it?). Now I know it isn't just like real life but it does give you a bit of the "feel" of both of these cars.

Give both cars the same tires like (sports soft) and turn off the assists and drive them back to back on the same track. For me the s2000 was a bit harder to drive at the limit but ultimatley faster. The back end would easily come around requiring you to be "on your toes" the whole time. It also felt a little heavier going around the turns even though there is only a 20kg difference in the game.

The FT-86 on the other hand felt much lighter and also dartier. It was much easier to drive at the limit and seemed to inspire confidence. It was very neutral but sided toward understeer at the limit.

You can take what you want from this as it was just my observations based on a video game.

In driving simulator we trust

[cassidy0998]

^ WRX guys don't get so agitated.

Maybe he doesn't want a 4 door sedan.

And the FR-S/BRZ isn't a trade down if you're wanting a newer car with 4 seats. It's pretty much one of the closest things to the S2000 now.

[Snoopyalien24]

^ Damn, tru that. Where you at Mitsubishi? Make one of them... what they call em? Oh yeah! RWD cars and stuff thas affordible

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

^ WRX guys don't get so agitated.

Maybe he doesn't want a 4 door sedan.

And the FR-S/BRZ isn't a trade down if you're wanting a newer car with 4 seats. It's pretty much one of the closest things to the S2000 now.

You'll have to excuse my behavior. The bitching some members over on NASIOC make about the lack of AWD got to me a LONG time ago. The front axles would be inside the block if they tried to make the car AWD in its current form. Otherwise, they'd have to move the engine forward...which kills the weight distribution, which kills the handling, which makes it another understeering AWD econocar.

I love the WRX, I enjoy the concept of this car...let's keep them separate please.

[TylerLieberman]

I woud go FRS. I never liked the S2K, but overtime, it started to grow on me. I sat in a few and drove one with some Mugen bits on it and it was a neat car. Something about it though...I wasn't all that into it. I sat in...excuse me, I crammed into the car and just didn't care for it all that much.

Still like them though. I've seen so many badass ones. Just not my cup of tea

[Stigmaru]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

You'll have to excuse my behavior. The bitching some members over on NASIOC make about the lack of AWD got to me a LONG time ago. The front axles would be inside the block if they tried to make the car AWD in its current form. Otherwise, they'd have to move the engine forward...which kills the weight distribution, which kills the handling, which makes it another understeering AWD econocar.

I love the WRX, I enjoy the concept of this car...let's keep them separate please.

The people on Nasioc pretty much unanimously hate this car. I think deep in their hearts they all want a 2 door delete on their WRX-STi. Having 4 door is trivial compared to not having awd and turbo...which obviously is not what this car is about.

And you're right, the Subaru chief engineer said this car will never be a an AWD due to the physical constraints and also the hard work they put into building up to this weight distribution.

[cassidy0998]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

You'll have to excuse my behavior. The bitching some members over on NASIOC make about the lack of AWD got to me a LONG time ago. The front axles would be inside the block if they tried to make the car AWD in its current form. Otherwise, they'd have to move the engine forward...which kills the weight distribution, which kills the handling, which makes it another understeering AWD econocar.

I love the WRX, I enjoy the concept of this car...let's keep them separate please.

You're right, I totally agree. The BRZ and FR-S are designed to be what they are as is, just like the WRX is designed to be what it is as is.

I certainly don't want the BRZ to go awd (and it won't) - like you said, that would ruin the car. Those wanting an awd turbo coupe should look into saving their pennies for a GT-R.

[Hype]

Lol, I didn't realize that saying, I would have like AWD and turbo would get my head cut off. Back into the shadows, I go.

[vang]

Originally Posted by Hype

Lol, I didn't realize that saying, I would have like AWD and turbo would get my head cut off. Back into the shadows, I go.

Haha...got the chuckles from that.