FRS 10 Series vs. BRZ Limited

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by Brzetto

Get the BRZ, even though the FRS-10 has great JDM headlights, the BRZ's are better. The interior in the BRZ is better too. A lot of FRS owners endlessly compare their FRS to the BRZ, it's evident that they wish they had a BRZ.

What makes you say that? both are Bi-Xenon headlights, or at least my FR-S has Bi-Xenon, and other than the leather seats, the interior is the same as well... and the FR-S has the better suspension setup.

[gt8613]

Which production colors have lower numbers than 2500?


No the TRD exhaust is not a standard equip for the 10 series. You can obviously get one with it.

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

FYI some of the colors for the BRZ have lower production numbers than the 2500 for the 10 series. 2500 is actually quite a lot for a special edition car!

Doesnt the 10 series get a TRD exhaust as well?

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

FYI some of the colors for the BRZ have lower production numbers than the 2500 for the 10 series. 2500 is actually quite a lot for a special edition car!

Doesnt the 10 series get a TRD exhaust as well?

No but one of the 10 series at the dealership I got mine at actually had the exhaust already added on from the factory. You know they toss on a few options typically when they deliver random cars to sell.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

FYI some of the colors for the BRZ have lower production numbers than the 2500 for the 10 series. 2500 is actually quite a lot for a special edition car!

Doesnt the 10 series get a TRD exhaust as well?

Show me proof of this.

[SigmaHyperion]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Show me proof of this.

Proof that some colors of the BRZ exist in quantities of <2500?

At least Stateside, I would imagine that statement actually applies to not just "some" but rather ALL colors actually.

Obviously one cannot get "Proof". But only about 7000 BRZ's are sold in the US per year. It's highly unlikely that any of the seven individual colors made up more than a 1/3rd of that by itself. So one can be pretty sure that all of the colors exist in quantities less than, and some colors significantly less than, the 2500 Silver Series-10s.

Red, which is significantly rarer than any other color on the BRZ, probably only accounts for 500 or less of the total BRZs sold in the US. With absolute certainty it's nowhere near 1000. And if you limited your trim level down to the comparable "Limited", you're probably looking at something in the range of 200-300 Limited Lightning Reds or so. A mere 1/10th of the Series-10 production.

Even by FRS standards, 1 of 2500 isn't very "Limited". It's like 15% of total FRS production in the States; a very sizeable number that, at least from the outside, doesn't make the car any more unique than any other available color. Your odds of coming across a Series-10 FRS will be about the same as coming across any other particular color, and even a lot more than coming across some of the rarer ones like Ultramarine.

[illmatic]

Subaru's hold their value well and they also have a GTP.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by SigmaHyperion

Proof that some colors of the BRZ exist in quantities of <2500?

At least Stateside, I would imagine that statement actually applies to not just "some" but rather ALL colors actually.

Obviously one cannot get "Proof". But only about 7000 BRZ's are sold in the US per year. It's highly unlikely that any of the seven individual colors made up more than a 1/3rd of that by itself. So one can be pretty sure that all of the colors exist in quantities less than, and some colors significantly less than, the 2500 Silver Series-10s.

Red, which is significantly rarer than any other color on the BRZ, probably only accounts for 500 or less of the total BRZs sold in the US. With absolute certainty it's nowhere near 1000. And if you limited your trim level down to the comparable "Limited", you're probably looking at something in the range of 200-300 Limited Lightning Reds or so. A mere 1/10th of the Series-10 production.

Even by FRS standards, 1 of 2500 isn't very "Limited". It's like 15% of total FRS production in the States; a very sizeable number that, at least from the outside, doesn't make the car any more unique than any other available color. Your odds of coming across a Series-10 FRS will be about the same as coming across any other particular color, and even a lot more than coming across some of the rarer ones like Ultramarine.

You're argument is automatically invalidated the moment you said PER YEAR, the 10 series is a 1 year production edition, won't be sold again, and the color will only be available stateside.

but just for the sake of arguing...the US isn't the only place people drive cars... however, Silver ignition will only be sold in the US market so there will only be 2500 Silver ignition FT86's in existance in the whole world... where as all the other colors are as common as vanilla ice cream.

And to your trim level argument, I can counter argue that only 750 FR-S are manual, making it even more rear.

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by SigmaHyperion

Proof that some colors of the BRZ exist in quantities of <2500?

At least Stateside, I would imagine that statement actually applies to not just "some" but rather ALL colors actually.

Obviously one cannot get "Proof". But only about 7000 BRZ's are sold in the US per year. It's highly unlikely that any of the seven individual colors made up more than a 1/3rd of that by itself. So one can be pretty sure that all of the colors exist in quantities less than, and some colors significantly less than, the 2500 Silver Series-10s.

Red, which is significantly rarer than any other color on the BRZ, probably only accounts for 500 or less of the total BRZs sold in the US. With absolute certainty it's nowhere near 1000. And if you limited your trim level down to the comparable "Limited", you're probably looking at something in the range of 200-300 Limited Lightning Reds or so. A mere 1/10th of the Series-10 production.

Even by FRS standards, 1 of 2500 isn't very "Limited". It's like 15% of total FRS production in the States; a very sizeable number that, at least from the outside, doesn't make the car any more unique than any other available color. Your odds of coming across a Series-10 FRS will be about the same as coming across any other particular color, and even a lot more than coming across some of the rarer ones like Ultramarine.

Yeah you mixed up production number with a "rarity" number. No the first 2500 Toyobaru's made off the line weren't 10 series of course. But how many "limited" BRZ's will be sold worldwide? I mean that's not why I bought the car, rarity is just a semi-added bonus. But if it comes down to splitting hairs it could be a tie-breaker for him.

Out of curiosity and not to be argumentative, how many BRZ Limited trims have been sold worldwide? Where would one get that type of info, it's entirely possible that for now they are still pretty rare.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Well if you want serious exclusivity and want the car that will hold its value far far far into the future when the car is a classic, get the 10 series because it is truly a limited car with only 2500 made.

[Gaiakai]

Originally Posted by gt8613

I apologize if this has been extensively discussed already but I need to choose between one soon and needed some advice on which way to go.

I am being offered the 10 series FRS for the MSRP 28,150 - 750 cause I am a recent grad.

The BRZ Limited I am getting for 28,298 which I reckon is a good price.



If you were in my shoes, which would you pick? They are almost identical.

BRZ, get in touch with Clint @HeubergerMotors to get one for a lot less than what the 10 series costs. And you get a bit more extras AND you get to pick the color you want.

Originally Posted by oldpueblo

Base FR-S maybe, 10 series nope.

Also let's not forget Jeremy Clarkson's clear definitive preference for the GT86 based upon this comprehensive comparison:

(teehee)

Yeah but he's comparing the GT86 to the BRZ - the 10 series is an almost-GT86-but-not-quite. If we actually got t he GT86 here in the US I'd definitely go for the Toyota simply because of the front end.

And yes, I'm an FRS owner who wishes he had a BRZ Limited. In hindsight I should've waited a bit more.

[oldpueblo]

Originally Posted by Gaiakai

BRZ, get in touch with Clint @HeubergerMotors to get one for a lot less than what the 10 series costs. And you get a bit more extras AND you get to pick the color you want.



Yeah but he's comparing the GT86 to the BRZ - the 10 series is an almost-GT86-but-not-quite. If we actually got t he GT86 here in the US I'd definitely go for the Toyota simply because of the front end.

And yes, I'm an FRS owner who wishes he had a BRZ Limited. In hindsight I should've waited a bit more.

Uh..I'm pretty sure the fronts are identical on the GT86 and 10 series. What makes you think the 10 series is not a GT86 with minor Scion bling adjustments? The pick your color is a definite advantage to many, but advantages only matter in areas people care about individually. Either way, these have been good threads to point out the differences, helping lots I'm sure in the future.

[SliverBrz]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

Well if you want serious exclusivity and want the car that will hold its value far far far into the future when the car is a classic, get the 10 series because it is truly a limited car with only 2500 made.

by that time, none of this will matter because most of you guys will be on to the next best thing by then lol

[gt8613]

I am located in the SF Bay Area region in California. I wish we had a dealer like that near by!

Originally Posted by Gaiakai

BRZ, get in touch with Clint @HeubergerMotors to get one for a lot less than what the 10 series costs. And you get a bit more extras AND you get to pick the color you want.



Yeah but he's comparing the GT86 to the BRZ - the 10 series is an almost-GT86-but-not-quite. If we actually got t he GT86 here in the US I'd definitely go for the Toyota simply because of the front end.

And yes, I'm an FRS owner who wishes he had a BRZ Limited. In hindsight I should've waited a bit more.

[gt8613]

I am located n the SF Bay Area. Initially I received quote for upto a $6000 markup on MSRP for the BRZ Limited.

Originally Posted by thill

Where are you located? That price seems high on a BRZ Limited. Many people are getting them for $27K or less depending on location.