BRZ STi tS Confirmed. Teased on Official Website

[bestwheelbase]

I think it looks great. For USA customers wanting a similar setup, they could get aero from @Hancha Group and order the tS touch ups individually.

[NemesisPrime909]

Originally Posted by DantKR

Most of us want a FI solution from the factory so we don't screw ourselves out of the warranty.

well there's always waiting for the warranty to expire...

you could save up for the parts and buy them all at once and do a 'big' build when the time comes...

thus, allowing you more time to become better in-tune with the car

just a thought

[botbs]

Originally Posted by DantKR

Most of us want a FI solution from the factory so we don't screw ourselves out of the warranty.

True, but it is what it is...

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by DantKR

Most of us want a FI solution from the factory so we don't screw ourselves out of the warranty.

Said every other FI Subaru owner, and then went and flashed his ECU with some stageX map to get rid of the "horrible oem tune".

[DantKR]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Said every other FI Subaru owner, and then went and flashed his ECU with some stageX map to get rid of the "horrible oem tune".

Which doesn't void the warranty because you can swap the tunes right back on in case something happens.

I don't disagree that it is what it is. But the car is getting to expensive without adding anymore power and reaching too many other competitors.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by DantKR

Which doesn't void the warranty

[WolfpackS2k]

The amount of facepalm worthy posts in this thread is ridiculous. The ignorant posting seems to be strongly focused on this thread.

People that have no background in engineering or knowledge about the car business should stop making ignorant assumptions. Based on the comments about vehicle pricing and conversion rates it's as if people don't have a clue about how cars are priced in different markets. If only it was as simple as converting a currency.

Do you not realize how cheap it is to produce a car? They could easily give us a $30k FI BRZ and still turn a profit if they wanted to. To give you an idea, it costs less that $10,000 to manufacture a BMW 5 Series.

1) this car already handles amazingly well, so what's the point with these suspension mods
2) people oogling over a big brake kit? WTF does a 200 hp car need a big brake kit for?

50+ hp or go home if you ask me.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

To give you an idea, it costs less that $10,000 to manufacture a BMW 5 Series.

Totally misleading number. I bet it's only a variable cost of physical manufacturing, nothing else.

[tacoss23]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

The amount of facepalm worthy posts in this thread is ridiculous. The ignorant posting seems to be strongly focused on this thread.

People that have no background in engineering or knowledge about the car business should stop making ignorant assumptions. Based on the comments about vehicle pricing and conversion rates it's as if people don't have a clue about how cars are priced in different markets. If only it was as simple as converting a currency.

Do you not realize how cheap it is to produce a car? They could easily give us a $30k FI BRZ and still turn a profit if they wanted to. To give you an idea, it costs less that $10,000 to manufacture a BMW 5 Series.

1) this car already handles amazingly well, so what's the point with these suspension mods
2) people oogling over a big brake kit? WTF does a 200 hp car need a big brake kit for?

50+ hp or go home if you ask me.

Of course they can, but why would they?

1) BRZs/FR-Ss are a hit, not just in Japan but in USA and Western Europe. Regardless of the "but power" argument of more articles and reviews, everysingle one was praising the car almost as the second coming.

2) Sales are still raising, so they haven't even seen a peak. Why would they change something when the base model even with its "power lacking, and performance dip" is still selling well. It's a new platform, it's not like the new BMW 3 series F30, where they have to release the M3 soon, because there is people waiting to buy it, because they know it exists, so doesn't make sense having that customer hanging with cash in hand when there is competition out there. In this case, it's different, they can (and should) take their time revising the platform, adding slightly special version like this one, and eventually investing money in improving it and releasing a full-on upgraded version.

3) Subaru will be praying in his new WRX release. Yes, it's 4-door, yes it's more functional and day driver, but there is still a lot of people who would wait and even buy a FI BRZ instead of a WRX. You can argue the differences between both cars, but you can't deny from a business stand point, it doesn't make sense overlap a platform with another, specially considering that the first is selling incredibly well and the former NEEDs to sell incredibly well to justify the redesign and entirely new chassis (no longer impreza)

So yeah, you are right, they can release one for close to $30k, but they won't. It doesn't make sense financially as a business, because you and me are buying their base BRZs right now, even if we are not completely happy with the power.

My guess in is not even this first generation of BRZs will see a STI variant. All we will see is these tS version and STI accessories. Debuting the second generation BRZ 5 years later of its launch with rumors of an actual STI version makes A LOT more sense in terms of marketing.

[WolfpackS2k]

I can't argue with the reasons you're presenting. But its the fools that say it can't be done for less than $35k, or the ones that say they'd pay $40k for it...or even the models shown in the OP.

However I strongly disagree with your overlap with WRX comment. Driving both cars back to back the WRX feels like an SUV, and it's handling will never compare as long as the engine is hanging over the front axle. Nevermind most people that want to buy a coupe don't consider a 4 door.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Totally misleading number. I bet it's only a variable cost of physical manufacturing, nothing else.

Sure it's not an apples to apples comparison. But I mention it as an example to show how far off base some people on this forum are with pricing. They truly don't realize how inexpensive most of this stuff is on the supplier end. Or maybe they just don't want to believe how much they're being taken advantage of when buying a rear diffuser from SPT for $700.

[brz_star21]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Those brakes ARE delicious. IIRC, they're about $5K a pair if you order the P/N from Japan (if those are the R205 6 pots); however, those LOOK like Brembo 4 pots.

That's because they probably are off the shelf Impreza STI Brembo 4 pots. I'm not sure why the article put 6 pot. I even have the GRB STI calipers in my garage to compare!

The Spec C RA-R brakes are 6 pot (see below pic). Not sure on the brand, though, but you can clearly see 3 distinctive piston humps on the caliper front vs. the Ts that has 2 on the front.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Sure it's not an apples to apples comparison. But I mention it as an example to show how far off base some people on this forum are with pricing. They truly don't realize how inexpensive most of this stuff is on the supplier end. Or maybe they just don't want to believe how much they're being taken advantage of when buying a rear diffuser from SPT for $700.

That number does nothing to prove your point, cause it's almost totally irrelevant. You're ignoring development/testing/market research and a crap load of other costs that a project has to recover and make margins comparable to those of other company's products.

Even if Subaru were to slap the Forester DIT engine into a BRZ, the cost of physical assembly would not be the only cost of doing so.

Besides, even if Subaru does make a turbo BRZ at some point, I highly doubt it will make it accross the ocean. I'm yet to see a single ad for a BRZ on North American TV as is, and a 250+ HP turbo RWD coupe could seriously hurt Subaru's image here. Heck, even STI more or less fits the image as a frugal and utilitarian car. A turbo-BRZ won't.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by brz_star21

That's because they probably are off the shelf Impreza STI Brembo 4 pots. I'm not sure why the article put 6 pot. I even have the GRB STI calipers in my garage to compare!

The Spec C RA-R brakes are 6 pot (see below pic). Not sure on the brand, though, but you can clearly see 3 distinctive piston humps on the caliper front vs. the Ts that has 2 on the front.

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I thought it was fishy as you could see the piston bores and the brakes were black. That was the giveaway as you have included a beautiful picture of the silver painted STI 6 pots.

I just sold my GDB STI calipers, so I'm very familiar with them. My bad on calling them R205 brakes. Mmmm, external fluid crossover.