Engine idle chirping (cricket) noise poll.

[R3d]

Originally Posted by sierra

10,000km+ and it's never even sniffed ethanol and of course, never chirped.

Just saying because some still doubt the cause.

ethanol is garbage, it doesn't help in the fuel crisis and it hurts in the hunger crisis. What pisses me off the most is hybrids, it has been years since they discovered we can create fossil fuels with water and c02. Aditionally bid truck companies are going to have to comply to 90+% clean exhaust fumes and my customers (international and caterpillar) have both told me they are expected to make the dead line, others probably will also. What sucks is we don't have a choice as consumers.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by R3d

it has been years since they discovered we can create fossil fuels with water and c02.

Although this isn't incorrect, it takes a lot of energy to turn H2O and CO2 back into fuel, more energy than you get out of it. You are taking the molecules in lower potential energy bonds back into high potential energy bonds. Kind of like hydrogen. I love the idea of hydrogen as a fuel, the only reason it is not viable at the moment is because it takes more energy to produce H2 than you get out of it. I also love the idea of perpetual motion machines. Unfortunately for all of us, Conservation of Energy is a law, not some crackpot idea.

[sierra]

They are making diesel from water, CO2 and sunlight using algae here and i'm sure they must be doing it in the US too. The plant is huge but the cost is still too high to use it for fuel so currently they are producing other higher cost products like industrial dyes.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...-biodiesel.htm

[DylanFRS]

Yeah, they are doing something similar in Japan using pond scum to make hydrogen fuel. Unfortunately it is still too inefficient to be viable. Lets face it, all of the energy (nuclear aside) we use comes from the sun in some kind of form.

Edit: Sorry for contributing to the thread-jack.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by sierra

They are making diesel from water,

I firmly believe biodiesel is the future fuel, as long as there is LIFE on this planet we can manufacture a substance that combusts, screw hydrogen, petroleum, batteries or capacitors.

Dat torque

Wait until the first really viable diesel sports car comes out, you think complaints about chirps are annoying

Oh no my car sounds like a truck! Go cry in the corner with 240sx owners.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I firmly believe biodiesel is the future fuel, as long as there is LIFE on this planet we can manufacture a substance that combusts, screw hydrogen, petroleum, batteries or capacitors.

Dat torque

Wait until the first really viable diesel sports car comes out, you think complaints about chirps are annoying

Oh no my car sounds like a truck! Go cry in the corner with 240sx owners.

Biodiesel will be around, but so will fuel cells. Yes, we have been waiting for decades for these to become a reality, but the good news is when the dino juice runs out, these will be ready to go. Also have the benefit of zero emissions, unlike biodiesel.

Any chance we can get back on topic?

[Auzburner]

I have easy access to <10% 93 or ethanol free 91. Which would you choose? I've been using the 93 since purchase 3 weeks ago. Around 400 miles is when I noticed the chirp starting after long drives. I'm at 960 miles and I still have the chirp after a 20+ minute drive. It's not any louder, I'm just wondering who would use 91 free over the 93 with ethanol.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Biodiesel will be around, but so will fuel cells.

Hydrogen?!?!?!?

Pipe dream at best, it isn't an energy source, until we move to something nearly unlimited as our primary energy resource Hydrogen is just a toy waiting in the wings. Sure the sketches for farms out in the ocean converting solar to processed hydrogen are nice ideas but those are a decade away optimistically and you'll be at the mercy of the weather.

If you're talking about fuel cells using some other chemical like home grown alcohol then, yes I fully agree those will be viable alternatives to internal combustion in about 20 years.

edit: and fuel cells only have zero emissions if you discount the manufacture of the fuel cells and the manufacture of the fuel, which I don't see those as being emission free any time soon, considering you'll be tracing back to the refining of silicon, platinum and whatever else is used not to mention what powers all the machinery to make those processes occur.

If you want to veer back on topic don't keep posting arguments, although I do quite enjoy the discussion. I wonder if future generations will lament the lack of noise and character of their fuel cell powered electric sports cars...

Originally Posted by Auzburner

I have easy access to <10% 93 or ethanol free 91. Which would you choose? I've been using the 93 since purchase 3 weeks ago. Around 400 miles is when I noticed the chirp starting after long drives. I'm at 960 miles and I still have the chirp after a 20+ minute drive. It's not any louder, I'm just wondering who would use 91 free over the 93 with ethanol.

There's no penalty for trying ethanol free, it's unlikely that you'll notice the loss of power so I would do it if the noise bothered me.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by Auzburner

I have easy access to <10% 93 or ethanol free 91. Which would you choose? I've been using the 93 since purchase 3 weeks ago. Around 400 miles is when I noticed the chirp starting after long drives. I'm at 960 miles and I still have the chirp after a 20+ minute drive. It's not any louder, I'm just wondering who would use 91 free over the 93 with ethanol.

I run 91 ethanol-free but only because I don't have a 93 option. Which also means that I have not been able to test the performance difference between 91 and 93. Still though, I would definitely run 93 in my car with 10% ethanol and deal with the chirps to have the correct fuel in the car if that was even an option.

[Auzburner]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

I run 91 ethanol-free but only because I don't have a 93 option. Which also means that I have not been able to test the performance difference between 91 and 93. Still though, I would definitely run 93 in my car with 10% ethanol and deal with the chirps to have the correct fuel in the car if that was even an option.

That was my mindset. Thanks I guess I'm just looking for other opinions on the decision.

[Tromatic]

To a quality aftermarket fuel pump mfgr:



ETA: Booze-free gas has consistently and repeatedly silenced my crickets. If I will happily pay 50 bucks a tank for gas, wouldn't you think I'd pay some green for a pump?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

If I will happily pay 50 bucks a tank for gas, wouldn't you think I'd pay some green for a pump?

Wait, you can get a tank for noticeably less than $50 normally?

[wdninja]

Originally Posted by Auzburner

I have easy access to <10% 93 or ethanol free 91. Which would you choose? I've been using the 93 since purchase 3 weeks ago. Around 400 miles is when I noticed the chirp starting after long drives. I'm at 960 miles and I still have the chirp after a 20+ minute drive. It's not any louder, I'm just wondering who would use 91 free over the 93 with ethanol.

Without question I'd use 91 E0, since I know it muzzles my crickets.

[AR35]

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