Ford Fiesta ST Beats Toyota GT86 on the Track in EVO Test

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by texasbound972

Throw on some Dunlop Z1 Star Specs!!

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they dont even make that tire anymore

[WolfpackS2k]

I thought you could still get the Z1's?

Either way, I would recommend the new ZII instead! haha.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

blah blah blah

Good choice mate

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Suberman

Colin Chapman was the first to realize McPherson struts worked just as well, if not better, in the rear(on his ground breaking Elite in 1958). In the UK it is common to refer to these as "Chapman Struts" if on the rear.

Chapman realized struts were lighter.

Originally Posted by Suberman

Lots of cars now use struts at each corner for good engineering reasons.

Not for good engineering reasons. They are cheaper for production. That's a financial reason, not an engineering reason.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Not for good engineering reasons. They are cheaper for production. That's a financial reason, not an engineering reason.

And packaging, they take up a lot less space.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

And packaging, they take up a lot less space.

You know... when I first bought the FRS and had the hood open it was glaringly obvious why they chose Macs up front (excluding the financial reason).. the boxer engine takes up a wide area in the engine bay essentially making Macs up front a necessity.

Kind of makes me curious... If Toyota did this exact car but without a boxer engine, would they still have opted for Macs up front?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

And packaging, they take up a lot less space.

this is what i was thinking too. its was more an issue of the archaic transaxles they had to deal with in the sixties and how to fit suspension around them.

Originally Posted by rice_classic

You know... when I first bought the FRS and had the hood open it was glaringly obvious why they chose Macs up front (excluding the financial reason).. the boxer engine takes up a wide area in the engine bay essentially making Macs up front a necessity.

Kind of makes me curious... If Toyota did this exact car but without a boxer engine, would they still have opted for Macs up front?

that was my first though when i saw a picture of the engine bay. i get why they did it and am glad it worked out. its just that being a fan of double wishbone suspensions and not so much of boxer motors i wish it wasnt the way things turned out. that being said, you cant help but admire the execution of the car at least in stock form.

[Celica00]

Originally Posted by fatoni

this is what i was thinking too. its was more an issue of the archaic transaxles they had to deal with in the sixties and how to fit suspension around them.


that was my first though when i saw a picture of the engine bay. i get why they did it and am glad it worked out. its just that being a fan of double wishbone suspensions and not so much of boxer motors i wish it wasnt the way things turned out. that being said, you cant help but admire the execution of the car at least in stock form.

holy shit holy shit. this is history in the making. fatoni said something positive about that gt86.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Good choice mate

Yup, I went with the BRZ


I was VERY close to buying the Focus ST though... Too close XD I NEVER should have drove it, its just that good of car! I do recommend anyone in the new car market test drives one just because its so damn good.

Its still no BRZ though, the interior layout was what eventually made my decision for me :P

[regal]

Originally Posted by fatoni

that was my first though when i saw a picture of the engine bay. i get why they did it and am glad it worked out. its just that being a fan of double wishbone suspensions and not so much of boxer motors i wish it wasnt the way things turned out. that being said, you cant help but admire the execution of the car at least in stock form.

Remember Toyota didn't put double wishbone on the MR-S, I'm afraid mainstream OE double wishbone has seen its day. I'll be surprised if the new Miata retains it.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by regal

Remember Toyota didn't put double wishbone on the MR-S, I'm afraid mainstream OE double wishbone has seen its day. I'll be surprised if the new Miata retains it.

double wishbone is not going anywhere and i would be shocked if the miata ever changed the recipie that kept the thing a success for two decades. the mr2 came with mac struts because of packaging issues (and im sure cost didnt help).

[thill]

Originally Posted by fatoni

double wishbone is not going anywhere and i would be shocked if the miata ever changed the recipie that kept the thing a success for two decades. the mr2 came with mac struts because of packaging issues (and im sure cost didnt help).

I tend to agree with you, but you cannot rule anything out since the next Miata is a joint venture with Alfa Romeo. I do truly hope the artist rendering I have seen of the Miata are not anything close to the final product (the Alfa Romeo by comparison, looks much better).

[SigmaHyperion]

Holy crap. That thing is hideous.

The earlier renders I saw last year were gorgeous. That thing there looks like what a modern Crossfire would look like with a Mazda grill on it.

[Sport-Tech]

There is no way in hell Mazda is going to put out ugly like that - they have been on a design roll lately with the CX5, the 6, and now the 3 (at least the sedan version).