What you HATE the most on your FR-S/BRZ/GT86/FT86?

[WolfpackS2k]

I've got nothing against our Canadian brethren , but if someone is trying to say we should be grateful for the FRS at it's $25k price point because 10 years ago someone bought a Celica GTS for $35k Canadian I'm gonna call BS.

[pjb86]

Call BS on what??
The frs cost me 26K canadian, The celica cost 9k more for less performance 10 damn years ago. The FRS is a great deal. Enough said!

[WolfpackS2k]

How is something that's $18k in the US $35k in CN?

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I've got nothing against our Canadian brethren , but if someone is trying to say we should be grateful for the FRS at it's $25k price point because 10 years ago someone bought a Celica GTS for $35k Canadian I'm gonna call BS.

Did you bother to click the link or at least scroll down to the bottom of the article? $32-33k CAN, not even including markup as this was a popular car when it came out. $35k CAN is very possible.

Just to do some math...

For the month of July, 2003, the exchange rate was $1.39 CAN per USD. So, if you purchased your car in that month @ $32,965 CAN (just to give the lowest price for a GTS), it would be ~$23,716 USD. Still more than $5k over your claim. Congrats, here is your flag

FYI, $35k CAN was slightly over $25k USD.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

How is something that's $18k in the US $35k in CN?

Genius, he's talking about the TRD edition. See my above post. For God sakes, READ!

[zoomzoomers]

Wait! That Celica GT-S got 48 mpg hwy??? Really???!!!

[nalc]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Did you bother to click the link or at least scroll down to the bottom of the article? $32-33k CAN, not even including markup as this was a popular car when it came out. $35k CAN is very possible.

Just to do some math...

For the month of July, 2003, the exchange rate was $1.39 CAN per USD. So, if you purchased your car in that month @ $32,965 CAN (just to give the lowest price for a GTS), it would be ~$23,716 USD. Still more than $5k over your claim. Congrats, here is your flag

FYI, $35k CAN was slightly over $25k USD.

But are the prices necessarily the same, just adjusted for exchange rate? I know a lot of products are priced somewhat higher overseas than the exchange rate alone would predict. I don't know how the prices compare, but it's not sufficient argument to just look up a US to Canadian dollar conversion and say "If this car cost $xx,xxx in Canada, it cost $yy,yyy in the US because that's $x canadian = $y US the exchange rate", you'd need to look at what the actual sticker price was in both countries. Unfortunately, a cursory google search didn't turn up the original 2003 Celica GTS sticker price in the US, so I can't compare it.

[regal]

Originally Posted by nalc

But are the prices necessarily the same, just adjusted for exchange rate? I know a lot of products are priced somewhat higher overseas than the exchange rate alone would predict. I don't know how the prices compare, but it's not sufficient argument to just look up a US to Canadian dollar conversion and say "If this car cost $xx,xxx in Canada, it cost $yy,yyy in the US because that's $x canadian = $y US the exchange rate", you'd need to look at what the actual sticker price was in both countries. Unfortunately, a cursory google search didn't turn up the original 2003 Celica GTS sticker price in the US, so I can't compare it.

Exchange rates are everything, the Yen caused this car's price to be raised almost $5k from inception. There is talk that Subaru may take the twins market share by expanding the Indiana plant, if they do they will effectively take Scion out of the market saving a huge percentage in exchange. Also talk that this would be a graceful out for Toyota to let Scion go the way of Saturn.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by nalc

But are the prices necessarily the same, just adjusted for exchange rate? I know a lot of products are priced somewhat higher overseas than the exchange rate alone would predict. I don't know how the prices compare, but it's not sufficient argument to just look up a US to Canadian dollar conversion and say "If this car cost $xx,xxx in Canada, it cost $yy,yyy in the US because that's $x canadian = $y US the exchange rate", you'd need to look at what the actual sticker price was in both countries. Unfortunately, a cursory google search didn't turn up the original 2003 Celica GTS sticker price in the US, so I can't compare it.

Well, judging by the prices that our Canadian brethren are seeing, it pretty much is adjusted for exchange rate. Keep in mind that the US/CAN markets are virtually one and the same (broad generalization). Yes, customers in CAN pay a bit more, but I believe that is largely due to the exchange rate, which is much closer now than it was 10 years ago, relatively.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by regal

Exchange rates are everything, the Yen caused this car's price to be raised almost $5k from inception. There is talk that Subaru may take the twins market share by expanding the Indiana plant, if they do they will effectively take Scion out of the market saving a huge percentage in exchange. Also talk that this would be a graceful out for Toyota to let Scion go the way of Saturn.

The hell?

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by regal

Exchange rates are everything, the Yen caused this car's price to be raised almost $5k from inception. There is talk that Subaru may take the twins market share by expanding the Indiana plant, if they do they will effectively take Scion out of the market saving a huge percentage in exchange. Also talk that this would be a graceful out for Toyota to let Scion go the way of Saturn.

That would be hilarious. In 5 years the FR-S could be the "rare" model.

[jube]

I wouldn't say HATE, but I am not used to the increased road and wind noise in this car.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Well, judging by the prices that our Canadian brethren are seeing, it pretty much is adjusted for exchange rate. Keep in mind that the US/CAN markets are virtually one and the same (broad generalization). Yes, customers in CAN pay a bit more, but I believe that is largely due to the exchange rate, which is much closer now than it was 10 years ago, relatively.

I was under the impression that the Canadian government's regulations had more to do with the cost difference these days (since the exchange rate is minor at the moment).


Also I still feel like it's disingenuous to state that $25k is a good deal for the FRS because ten years ago someone bought a TRD edition Celica GT-S in Canada (when the exchange rate was different) for $35k.

That's like me claiming that the FRS is a great deal because in 2008 a Mugen Civic Si cost $32k USD. Or that in 1999 people were buying Honda S2000s for $50k...


Anyway I've gone way off topic. My apologies.

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by jube

I wouldn't say HATE, but I am not used to the increased road and wind noise in this car.

Ide say pretty avg for this price point