AS1 Definition?

[Levi]

Never mind. Let us call all - 86/GT86, FR-S, BRZ - AS1. And let us call the engine FA20. Afterall it is still a Subaru engine (Boxer).

[nixeighty6]

thank you very much all for your contributions.

this thread was to show why people are at this time calling the cars, gt86/frs/brz, as1 ..

i couldn't get any credible info to back up claims from one of the guys calling it a "chassis code" (thanks for your input tho) .. and had a real hard time finding anything in a search.

with the detroit auto show 10 days away we do not have a confirmed chassis code and call the cars as1 after "Subaru of America's internal project code"--like said above .

when we plain to stick with a name for all 3 cars no matter what it is, frame codes, as1 or whatever.. will someone please let the rest of us know in a new thread so that people can

thanks guys, cheers

ps: that link to google search is great!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

AS1 has no congruency as a Toyota chassis code. Especially considering their designation for the engine is 4U-GSE.

It would be something along the lines of U***

Cause it isn't a Toyota chassis.

[JDLM]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Cause it isn't a Toyota chassis.

exactly

[Matador]

Whatever. Bury your head in the sand about it all you want.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Whatever. Bury your head in the sand about it all you want.

Well it's not...

But Toyota will have a chassis code for it. I supposed both could use AS1 in the VIN but it's unlikely (hell neither of them may do so). We may just have to wait until production cars are out to determine that.

[Syldrin]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Whatever. Bury your head in the sand about it all you want.

i'm with dave on this. as much of a toyota guy as i am there is no hiding the truth that it isnt a toyota chassis.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

But Toyota will have a chassis code for it. I supposed both could use AS1 in the VIN but it's unlikely (hell neither of them may do so). We may just have to wait until production cars are out to determine that.

What I really want to see, is whether the Toyota/Scion vins start with JF or JT

[Jeff Lange]

Originally Posted by old greg

What I really want to see, is whether the Toyota/Scion vins start with JF or JT

It's hard to say, typically speaking Toyota still uses T, even if it's built in another company's factory. The only exception I can think of are the Corollas built at NUMMI, which started with 1N instead, however Tacomas built at the same factory start with 4T/5T, and Camrys built at the Subaru plant in the USA still use T.

It could go either way.

As for the chassis code, AS1 may be Subaru's internal designation for the project (as 086A was for Toyota), but that doesn't even mean that will be Subaru's production designation, and it certainly won't be Toyota's. Toyota has already assigned their own designation to the engine (4U-GSE), I suspect the chassis will of course be no different.

Toyota's chassis code will start with U, probably U_10, UX_10, or similar. I've no doubt that people will probably start using it to refer to the Toyota/Scion variants once it is known, and using Subaru's code (AS1 possibly) to refer to the Subaru variant. Whether one title/code becomes more prominent or not, we will have to wait and see I think.

Jeff

[Palmy]

Why differentiate at all? As far as I can tell its all the same chassis, just different retailers.

[JDLM]

Originally Posted by Palmy

Why differentiate at all? As far as I can tell its all the same chassis, just different retailers.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter...to me at least

The BMW guys always ask for parts by chassis code (kind of have to for some companies even through BMW to get the right parts)

[Jeff Lange]

Yeah BMW is heavy on the chassis codes for a lot of their information/parts lookups. Toyota is moreso overseas (especially Japan, where they don't use model years), and most good Toyota parts people will know and use chassis codes a lot. It doesn't really matter what it is, just that you know what it is, and what it means.

Jeff

[JDLM]

Someone just email Jack Hollis and ask

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Well it's not...

But Toyota will have a chassis code for it. I supposed both could use AS1 in the VIN but it's unlikely (hell neither of them may do so). We may just have to wait until production cars are out to determine that.

The fact remains that Toyota will have their own designation for it.

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With respect to it not being a Toyota chassis, in my eyes that's open to interpretation, as both parties seem to be congruent with the fact that while originally Subaru based, it is in effect, a new chassis that they came together to build. So it's bullshit to say that it's not a Toyota chassis. One of these days perhaps we will be privy to exactly the "who did what", not that it matters, really, because at the end of the day, it's here and it seems to be great. That being said, a lot of folks seemingly in some sort of Subaru fan club like to rub that "Subaru did this" or " Toyota couldn't have done it on their own" (total bull btw). Either way, one thing is clear, even if Toyota didn't do more than lift a finger to pull out their wallet, this car would not exist (or it it did, probably not in the same capacity) without them and that is a hard fact. So seriously, cut the crap, as the elitist attitude that has already begun to sprung up will do nothing good for the community.