Post the Wheels You want On your FRS/BRZ!!

[madfast]

Originally Posted by chulooz

My post with all of the racing teams that successfully run rota's is proof that these 'lesser' wheels have performed at and beyond the standards of some of those pricier brands you have listed. ON TRACK.

lets be honest here. "time attack" cars from your local, but internet famous, "race shop" tuner is NOTHING compared to the multi million dollar race teams that run in F1, LeMans, WRC, DTM, WTCC, etc.

which ALMS team does Rota sponsor/supply again? how many F1 world championships do they have under their belt?

so how is that relevant? who knows for sure, but my hope is what they learn on the race track, trickles down into the wheels i buy. i can say that about BBS, OZ, Enkei, RAYS, etc. but can you say that about Rota?

and my point of view isnt that of an enthusiast snob. an enthusiast snob would be "Tein is better than Progress because JDM yo"! instead you literally cannot argue that a flow formed wheel is stronger and can be made lighter than a low pressure cast wheel. when it comes to Rota, the main thing that they have going for them is their price. and again, you can buy an Enkei MAT wheel for not that much more, yet it will perform close to a fully forged wheel.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Alfie

"...Enkei MAT wheels are a bargain imo."

AGREED! These wheels are SO quality, you dont even have to balance them!
Throw on the tires, bolt them on and GO!

Even if the wheel is perfectly balanced, the tire sure as hell isn't going to be.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by madfast

semantics and the internets dont mix very well i guess...

either way, whatever you call it, enkeis are not "expensive" like volks are "expensive". however, when it comes to quality most, if not all, would agree that enkeis with MAT process are closer to the performance of a volk than a run of the mill low pressure cast wheel. therefore, enkei MAT wheels are a bargain imo.

Well I've bent an Enkei (not that I fault them, it's just a wheel, any wheel will bend/crack/break with enough force) so I'm not all that convinced that they are that much more resistant to damage compared to any other wheel. :shrug:

I'd rather run an Enkei compared to a Volk too (I'm over that period in my life where I cared about having expensive forged wheels), but I'm perfectly fine with Rota too.. while saving hundreds of dollars in the process as long as I can find a Rota that would fit my needs. (ie 15-17lbs in 17x8 or 17x8.5). And that right there is the reason I likely won't be running Rotas, they aren't that light, at least not the models I've used in the past in 17" it seems.

I'll gladly pay the SIGNIFICANT ( ) 50% premium to drop the 7-9lbs per wheel (assuming both Enkeis RPF1/PF01 and Rota Slipstream weights are correct). I haven't checked into their other wheels, I like the slips because they are strong as hell in my experience.. but if that 24lbs is right for the 17x8.5.. no thanks.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by madfast

lets be honest here. "time attack" cars from your local, but internet famous, "race shop" tuner is NOTHING compared to the multi million dollar race teams that run in F1, LeMans, WRC, DTM, WTCC, etc.

which ALMS team does Rota sponsor/supply again? how many F1 world championships do they have under their belt?

so how is that relevant? who knows for sure, but my hope is what they learn on the race track, trickles down into the wheels i buy. i can say that about BBS, OZ, Enkei, RAYS, etc. but can you say that about Rota?

and my point of view isnt that of an enthusiast snob. an enthusiast snob would be "Tein is better than Progress because JDM yo"! instead you literally cannot argue that a flow formed wheel is stronger and can be made lighter than a low pressure cast wheel. when it comes to Rota, the main thing that they have going for them is their price. and again, you can buy an Enkei MAT wheel for not that much more, yet it will perform close to a fully forged wheel.

You are right, none of those cars run Rota's.

But it is impossible for me to run my car as hard as those million dollar teams on any road or track. There is no reason to knock wheels that are plenty strong for anything a road/track you and your car will experience, realistically. Yes they are better quality, but when it comes to breaking them in realistic conditions you really notice they are more equal than you think, or their prices indicate.

I agree they are chunky and the knockoff designs are cheesy, but quality proves itself.

[igorot]

Originally Posted by chulooz

You are right, none of those cars run Rota's.

But it is impossible for me to run my car as hard as those million dollar teams on any road or track. There is no reason to knock wheels that are plenty strong for anything a road/track you and your car will experience, realistically. Yes they are better quality, but when it comes to breaking them in realistic conditions you really notice they are more equal than you think, or their prices indicate.

truth, how many of us here are f1 drivers?

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I'm not all that convinced that they are that much more resistant to damage compared to any other wheel. :shrug:

Originally Posted by chulooz

Yes they are better quality, but when it comes to breaking them in realistic conditions you really notice they are more equal than you think, or their prices indicate.

same weight? can cast be as strong or stronger? sure, but at what weight?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by madfast

same weight? can cast be as strong or stronger? sure, but at what weight?

MAT wheels are basically cast. And only the rim portion of the wheel is done with MAT, the rest is regular gravity cast.

Most wheels crack/break in my experience in the spokes or hub area.

[poormans_LFA]

Originally Posted by chulooz

You are right, none of those cars run Rota's.

But it is impossible for me to run my car as hard as those million dollar teams on any road or track. There is no reason to knock wheels that are plenty strong for anything a road/track you and your car will experience, realistically. Yes they are better quality, but when it comes to breaking them in realistic conditions you really notice they are more equal than you think, or their prices indicate.

I agree they are chunky and the knockoff designs are cheesy, but quality proves itself.

whether or not you run your car as hard as an F1 driver runs his is irrelevant. it's the expertise and know how applied from that extreme use that is put into production for the wheels that go on street cars that ups the manufactures credibility and quality. you'd find far fewer cracked RAYS or Enkei's than you would Rota's or XXR's.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

MAT wheels are basically cast. And only the rim portion of the wheel is done with MAT, the rest is regular gravity cast.

Most wheels crack/break in my experience in the spokes or hub area.

hence why MAT wheels are heavier than forged and relatively inexpensive. but dont think all flow formed wheels have gravity cast spokes. i believe BBS uses low pressure casting for the spokes in their flow formed wheels. and you end up paying for that in the end...

the main argument im making is that the monetary jump from cast to flow formed, isnt as great as flow formed to forged. but the benefits can more than make up for the extra cost. forged? imo its advantage over flow formed isnt as great to make up the huge jump in price.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by poormans_LFA

whether or not you run your car as hard as an F1 driver runs his is irrelevant. it's the expertise and know how applied from that extreme use that is put into production for the wheels that go on street cars that ups the manufactures credibility and quality. you'd find far fewer cracked RAYS or Enkei's than you would Rota's or XXR's.

Did you not read the raceteams that have ran Rota's time and time again? Sorry but the evidence is that these wheels dont crack as much as you think in comparison to more expensive wheels. On a budget they are EXCELLENT wheels.

[poormans_LFA]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Did you not read the raceteams that have ran Rota's time and time again? Sorry but the evidence is that these wheels dont crack as much as you think in comparison to more expensive wheels. On a budget they are EXCELLENT wheels.

w/e. it's obvious you need to be right.

fact is there is more to substantiate quality and durability when looking at wheels like RAYS, Enkei, etc. than for companies like Rota. period.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by poormans_LFA

w/e. it's obvious you need to be right.

fact is there is more to substantiate quality and durability when looking at wheels like RAYS, Enkei, etc. than for companies like Rota. period.

Its not about me being right, I just that dont want others to believe internet rumors. :happy0180:

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by poormans_LFA

w/e. it's obvious you need to be right.

fact is there is more to substantiate quality and durability when looking at wheels like RAYS, Enkei, etc. than for companies like Rota. period.

He's just stating that Rota's get slammed a lot when it's not really deserved.

I don't care what people run on their car and I doubt he does either. I've badly bent (to the point where it was no longer usable as a wheel as it was near impossible to try to balance out) a Enkei due to a pothole at 20MPH but have run Rota's (off and on, I always have multiple sets of wheels so I rotate through them) for 9 years without issue hitting far worse than a pothole at 20MPH. I base my opinion on my personal experience and those of friends who I know have the experience to back it up. Lots of us run Rotas as street and track wheels because they simply work. They don't always looks the best (personally I think the Desmond Regas and thus the slipstreams look like crap), they aren't the lightest, but they do exactly what a wheel should do.

Enkei's are GREAT wheels without a doubt, so are Rays (although in the Volk line I don't believe that they are worth the money, and yes, I've owned them). So are a number of other brands, I just don't drink the Rota Hateraid like many people on the internet

Anyways, I think this portion of the topic has been beat to death.

Run whatever makes you happy.

[poormans_LFA]

it's all good. can't wait to hear about everyone's personal experiences and even better the pics that come with them!

after looking more closely at wheels i REALLY REALLY hope they chance the bolt pattern to 5-114.3!!!!!!!!!!