Do we really want a Turbo BRZ? I'm going to say no.

[Snoopyalien24]

What jump in price? The Gen Coupe sells for $22k with turbo, RWD, heavy because it's loaded with other things. Why offer a car with less for more?

They should just offer a Turbo package at launch for those who desire it, and leave it NA stock.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Scubynubie

And the few that do, and decide to modify it, make it it turbo, etc., will then be ticked off when the OE turbo version comes out...

Why would you think they would be ticked off when their Aftermarket turbo setup will most likely be faster than an OE one?

[Scubynubie]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Why would you think they would be ticked off when their Aftermarket turbo setup will most likely be faster than an OE one?

Possibly if you are comparing a modified BRZ to a stock BRZ turbo. But likely the modified BRZ turbo would be a lot faster, and have an engine with stronger internals, lower compression, etc. that would make it a much more capable engine.

Looking back, the Turbo Subaru Engines are a lot more stout than the NA Subaru Engines because they need to be, so they are a much better platform to start with.

Then there's the issue of warranty, and reliability, etc...

All I know is that if I put the money in to turbo an NA car, I would be a little upset if they then came out with a turbo car from the factory...

And especially if it had other goodies like a stronger transmission, better TBD/LSD...

If I have learned anything in my years playing with Subarus it is that you don't buy a WRX, and hope to turn it into an STI. Sure, you might be able to get your WRX to a point where it is as fast as an STI, but if you put that same money into an STI, it would be a lot faster. And even if it is as fast in a straight line, it is not the same. Not at all...

And there is a much lower ceiling with a WRX when you are talking about getting to the point where things start to break and need to be replaced like transmission and suspension.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Why would you think they would be ticked off when their Aftermarket turbo setup will most likely be faster than an OE one?

Dragon, I know you are all about the hp. But for some of us we also value reliability, warranty and for Subaru to do the R&D. More important to me then a few more hp from the aftermarket.

[gamma6]

So then is it likely for them to release two versions to make both partys happy?

[Levi]

Hey, I think we should have thread for the ones that only want a NA Toyobaru. In this case we'll know who are these members and discuss anything about the NA engine, without that the turbo fans come up and turn everything in a turbo debate. Why do all turbo lovers want to convert us?

[chulooz]

I dont want to convert anyone, but I dont want anyone saying what 'we' want... Speak for yourselves. Id enjoy boost if subaru gets it right, it would be a welcomed increase in performance and tunability.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Snoopyalien24

What jump in price? The Gen Coupe sells for $22k with turbo, RWD, heavy because it's loaded with other things. Why offer a car with less for more?

They should just offer a Turbo package at launch for those who desire it, and leave it NA stock.

Turbo wanters.. read my post ^^^^

[Eckshero]

i'd prefer to stick with N/A but i wouldnt mind if it had a turbo/supercharger.

N/A>supercharger>turbo

[blur]

I read the OP but couldn't understand why he doesn't want a turbo. For me I've got the reasons down to:

1. Cheaper
2. Simpler in terms of reliability with modding
3. The Scion(the one I'll be getting) won't ever get a turbo
4. No waiting

Then again . . .

1. Nearly every [grassroots] drift car has a turbo(or a V8)
2. It would be the S15 the US never had
3. You won't be left behind when youre at a HPDE with corvettes, porches etc.
4. You'd have a killer power to weight ratio without doing any real work

If I was to keep the FR-S and do a DIY turbo kit

1. I expect cooling to be an issue
2. big $$
3. Tuning problems?

Ej swap would be

1. Cheap
2. Proven and Reliable
3. Will need custom piping which isn't a big problem
4. Will push 350 WHP without much effort.

That's how I see it.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by blur

2. It would be the S15 the US never had

Oh man I love it more thinking in that ^

[Levi]

WTF! For those wanting a turbo just wait for the new WRX. Modded it'll be as fast as an Aventador (till 280 km/h), it also has AWD. The BRZ is just the first step before being able to control a Dirft Ford Mustang or a Grip Porsche 911.

[MrVito]

Originally Posted by Levi

WTF! For those wanting a turbo just wait for the new WRX. Modded it'll be as fast as an Aventador (till 280 km/h), it also has AWD. The BRZ is just the first step before being able to control a Dirft Ford Mustang or a Grip Porsche 911.

WRX also has 2 more doors, lots more space, higher CoG, but the most important fact to me isn't that it IS AWD, but that it ISN'T RWD. Not to mention it weighs a lot more. You've made similar statements before, and while I'm not trying to be insulting here, it seems you just don't get the point that those in the pro-turbo crowd are trying to make.

The FRS/BRZ that I buy will never out accelerate my 71 Chevelle, and in all likelihood won't even out accelerate my S14 (which weighs about the same at this point, 2850 w/ me and 3/4 tank of gas). It probably won't slide better than my S14, or with a few minor suspension tweaks, out handle it. It is however newer, more reliable, and in general nicer all around than either of those cars. If a turbo model was made, would I take it over the N/A, probably. Of course cost is a factor there, but to be honest everybody is saying 200hp/151ftlb is enough. They're right, it is enough, for now. Eventually most enthusiasts end up wanting more out of the car. Whether it be relatively cost inefficient N/A route, FI route, car diet route (always a good idea IMO), or some combination thereof.


Does EVERYONE want more power, no, some people will leave theirs completely stock, there's nothing wrong with that. Some people will just do suspension work, tires, etc. Most of us I think will do a mix of several things I'd wager.


I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if a factory Turbo version is available it will sell like hotcakes. It will probably be more powerful and faster in stock trim than a cam'd, ITB'd, full exhaust N/A car. It will probably have much more potential for higher power levels with less money. Of course every part of that is a trade off in either reliability or fuel efficiency, but once you start modding your NA car for more power, you're going to run into the same issues, at a higher cost, for lesser gains.

Does more power mean it's better, no, not one bit. It would be different, the dynamic of the car would change and tuning strategies would change around that new dynamic.


The real moral of the story is WRX =/= Turbo AS1, so stop acting like it does.

[zigzagz94]

If I had to go FI on my BRZ, I'd go with a mild supercharger option. Not really looking to make monster high end numbers and I like the no-lag throttle response from the blower.