Vortech Supercharger or AVO Turbo

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by Sonolin

I think honestly the turbos are looking like the much better performers. Both FBM & AVO stg1 kits look like they'd be great around a track, and there doesn't look to be much turbo lag.

What are you basing this statement on>?(just curious cuz I wanna know!)

I agree the turbos are making more power, and potentially heat too..indeed better performers on a dyno sheet...

BUT...I'm not sure I agree with great around a track comment above. I totally respect your opinion, and all,but I think heat soak is an issue for all FI solutions, some designs have more challenges than others

..I have yet to see a turbo car on a track in PHX heat, and yet to see mine on a track too, so I'm eager to meet supermassive this week, drive his turbo car and hopefully we can both hit the track one day soon!

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

What are you basing this statement on>?(just curious cuz I wanna know!)

I agree the turbos are making more power, and potentially heat too..indeed better performers on a dyno sheet...

BUT...I'm not sure I agree with great around a track comment above. I totally respect your opinion, and all,but I think heat soak is an issue for all FI solutions, some designs have more challenges than others

..I have yet to see a turbo car on a track in PHX heat, and yet to see mine on a track too, so I'm eager to meet supermassive this week, drive his turbo car and hopefully we can both hit the track one day soon!

I respect your opinion too and won't say you are wrong. I agree with you we need to see them both in the track and see who performs better.

Having said that, both cars with same cooling solutions (oil cooler + bigger radiator), a TC seems like the better option (based on higher numbers and obviously at the end of the day it depends on the power curve, not peak numbers).

Just my opinion :happy0180:, I understand and respect whomever chooses SC as their FI option.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

What are you basing this statement on>?(just curious cuz I wanna know!)

I agree the turbos are making more power, and potentially heat too..indeed better performers on a dyno sheet...

BUT...I'm not sure I agree with great around a track comment above. I totally respect your opinion, and all,but I think heat soak is an issue for all FI solutions, some designs have more challenges than others

..I have yet to see a turbo car on a track in PHX heat, and yet to see mine on a track too, so I'm eager to meet supermassive this week, drive his turbo car and hopefully we can both hit the track one day soon!

Plenty of NA -> turbo conversions perform great on the track. You make it sound like the tracks are dominated by superchargers and NA.

If you are talking about the 86 specifically... You do realize there are many ways to expell heat from the system right? Turbo guys may have to spend a little more on a larger radiator. Supercharged guys may have to as well. Time will tell. In the end with both cars having the required cooling capacity turbos will still have much more power and will probably be faster around the track.

That being said, the driver has to decide what type of torque curve and throttle response he/she wants. Ultimately this is what matters. The question of "What is fun for you?" . This is the question I struggle with when trying to figure out what kit to buy later on down the road.

[superpilun]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I believe he meant his car is not done tuning meaning it has not been fine tuned yet by a local tuner in a Dyno.

This is kind of what I'm wondering. How rough is the base tune? Are there any driveability issues for a daily driver? Cold start? Throttle blipping? Just trying to see if having it tuned by a local tuner is an absolute necessity.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by superpilun

This is kind of what I'm wondering. How rough is the base tune? Are there any driveability issues for a daily driver? Cold start? Throttle blipping? Just trying to see if having it tuned by a local tuner is an absolute necessity.

I can't answer that one right now as I am mid install. I honestly would tell you to budget a local tune or at the very minimum an e-tune with a reputable tuner. It is worth every single cent to have a custom tune after going FI. It will make your money's worth while keeping the ride smooth and safe.

[djdnz]

Originally Posted by superpilun

This is kind of what I'm wondering. How rough is the base tune? Are there any driveability issues for a daily driver? Cold start? Throttle blipping? Just trying to see if having it tuned by a local tuner is an absolute necessity.

I would count on pretty solid cruising/idling conditions, seeing as none of these kits change the injectors. It's not until you throw bigger injectors on that these issues start to arise in tunes. I don't have either product so take this with a grain of salt, but with my own previous experiences in tuning I would be pretty confident the base tune will be fine.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I can't answer that one right now as I am mid install. I honestly would tell you to budget a local tune or at the very minimum an e-tune with a reputable tuner. It is worth every single cent to have a custom tune after going FI. It will make your money's worth while keeping the ride smooth and safe.

This.

[BlueLeader]

I'm on the same boat except I have to be CARB legal. Greddy Tuner Turbo kit from a vendor said to me that it will have CARB approval because that's just how Greddy rolls. The Vortech is in the same stage pending CARB approval. So the Californians who don't want hassle from the popo's these are really the only kits right now that are feasible although there is a price to pay (Vortech tuner $4300, with tune $5600 msrp; Greddy $4800 w/ no tune) I've seen that greddy in action in Ken Gushi's car and it's friggin wicked. Haven't seen the vortech in action yet but still considering it.

For me though, I'm waiting for the Greddy to clear approval and turbo it is unless I test the vortech and it impresses me. Although, I still think that vortech sc is too pricey for its limitations vs a turbo. AVO looks great and the FA20Club turbo is affordable, too at $3500 but no carb, no way. The last thing I want is some cop on a badtrip pulling me over and reffing me. Then pull the turbo out, pay fee, clear visual, put the turbo on again and hope not to get pulled over...not pleasant at all.

[AVOturboworld]

Greddy hasn't announced that it's going through the CARB approval process, has it? Even so, I sincerely doubt it's going to, once you touch the cats, you are out of luck. We are not going to claim CARB is "pending" and string people along for a couple of years claiming "it's in the process, any day now".

[Sellout]

Originally Posted by BlueLeader

I'm on the same boat except I have to be CARB legal. Greddy Tuner Turbo kit from a vendor said to me that it will have CARB approval because that's just how Greddy rolls. The Vortech is in the same stage pending CARB approval. So the Californians who don't want hassle from the popo's these are really the only kits right now that are feasible although there is a price to pay (Vortech tuner $4300, with tune $5600 msrp; Greddy $4800 w/ no tune) I've seen that greddy in action in Ken Gushi's car and it's friggin wicked. Haven't seen the vortech in action yet but still considering it.

For me though, I'm waiting for the Greddy to clear approval and turbo it is unless I test the vortech and it impresses me. Although, I still think that vortech sc is too pricey for its limitations vs a turbo. AVO looks great and the FA20Club turbo is affordable, too at $3500 but no carb, no way. The last thing I want is some cop on a badtrip pulling me over and reffing me. Then pull the turbo out, pay fee, clear visual, put the turbo on again and hope not to get pulled over...not pleasant at all.

Someone lied to you. Greddy TUNER kits aren't carb legal. They don't have tunes. That's why they're tuner kits. Carb legal is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN on a turbo kit that removes, relocates, or otherwise offends the delicate catalytic convertor(s).

It's not legal for you to even touch that thing in california. There is no carb legal turbo kit. There is likely not going to be one. The turbo would have to be at the back of the car or between the exhaust manifold and front pipe.

Edit: The vortech tuner kit isn't carb legal either, and it won't be. Its a tuner kit. Allowing you to tune the vehicle any way you want is not what CARB is all about. Only the full system including their CARB tune is going to be legal.

[BlueLeader]

Originally Posted by Sellout

Someone lied to you. Greddy TUNER kits aren't carb legal. They don't have tunes. That's why they're tuner kits. Carb legal is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN on a turbo kit that removes, relocates, or otherwise offends the delicate catalytic convertor(s).

It's not legal for you to even touch that thing in california. There is no carb legal turbo kit. There is likely not going to be one. The turbo would have to be at the back of the car or between the exhaust manifold and front pipe.

Edit: The vortech tuner kit isn't carb legal either, and it won't be. Its a tuner kit. Allowing you to tune the vehicle any way you want is not what CARB is all about. Only the full system including their CARB tune is going to be legal.

Well I just lost wood. greddy kit carb legality was only vendor speculated.

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[djdnz]

If you want CARB, go S/C.

[jamesm]

sooooo glad i don't live in california. i'm far too libertarian for that sh*t.

if it were me i'd go for the avo. more headroom for the future. with the s/c, what you have now is pretty much what you're left with.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by djdnz

If you want boost, leave California

Fixed it for ya.