Innovate/Spritex/Bullet... What I found searching the web.

[Accurate Race Shop]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

93....

Yeah I know it's pretty obvious I was just looking for anyone with possibly a different opinion and why. Or if the kit needed to be tuned for that small of a change.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by jasper

Yeah I know it's pretty obvious I was just looking for anyone with possibly a different opinion and why. Or if the kit needed to be tuned for that small of a change.

To make more power and take advantage of the octane? Yes. Running the canned tune on 93 just improve det resistance that much, though I doubt the canned tunes would aggressive enough to cause much if any det in normal use.

[whataboutbob]

I find this thread interesting today. Like the mathematical data.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by jasper

I'll have the kit in Michigan with 93 octane. Some gas stations there sell 91 and 93 octane. do you think it would be a noticeable difference between the two. E85 is plentiful in Michigan so I plan on running that eventually but I will probably leave it on pump gas for a bit just wondering if I should put 93 in it or go with the kit recommended 91.

93 just adds extra insurance. The tune will run just fine on 93. If anything you will get more consistent power even after many many pulls when things are heat soaked. For example, when people here in CA run their cars on the track, many put in a few gallons of 100 octane. Not for power, but for consistency and for insurance.

[FAER]

So let me get this straight ... we have 52 pages of "information" and there is still nothing worth a damn about this kit out yet..

We want NUMBERS!!!!

[Dezoris]

Too many people are overly obsessed with horsepower numbers and theorhetical performance.
Any car can be setup to make show off HP numbers, whats the point of this constant debate?

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by FAER

So let me get this straight ... we have 52 pages of "information" and there is still nothing worth a damn about this kit out yet..

We want NUMBERS!!!!

Numbers, graphs, my own research and 3rd party reviews everything bar a flex fuel setup actually.
I've seen enough to warrant my purchase already..

[PoWn3d_0704]

I just want to know what I want. Vortech now? Wait for this? I like the idea of the twin screw, i just want to see where the power is before jumping on one or the other.

[nonicname]

Originally Posted by FAER

So let me get this straight ... we have 52 pages of "information" and there is still nothing worth a damn about this kit out yet..

We want NUMBERS!!!!

52 pages plus the other 100 pages from previous threads without a single dyno.

[ft_sjo]

What's wrong with you people?

This package is available outside of North America and there are dynos to demonstrate what it's doing in those particular applications.

I can understand you guys getting frustrated that it's taking a while to bring the product to market in your region but really, come on. I'm not convinced Innovate are approaching it in the right way, as in waiting for CARB approval before letting any consumer buy it. Seems a bit crazy as some of your states are not regulated by CARB (as far as I understand it).

Why don't some of you, who seem to care so much, pick up the phone and call Innovate and ask them why they have decided to launch the product in this way? Chances are they're just the exclusive distributor for the product and didn't have much/any involvement in its development. Of course being the exclusive dizzy, they would be the people to feed back problems with the product during initial installations, so you could call that 'development' if you want. Ultimately it's just a sprintex unit bolted on top of an inlet manifold which appears to be ripped off from the OE one anyway, but with a mounting flange for the charger/heat exchanger. I bet it didn't even see a flow bench.

If you want to buy one today, then import it. Nothing stopping you doing that, is there? The rest of the world imports enough crap from America, now the tables are turned it seems!

[d1ck]

To add a little fuel to the fire here:

With a 12.5:1 compression ratio the FA20 likely has a higher than average thermal efficiency. This means that it burns less fuel to make the same 200HP lots of other engines make. Because it burns less fuel, it requires less air, which means a smaller blower will result in more power than an identical engine with a lower thermal efficiency.

[swift996]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

What's wrong with you people?

This package is available outside of North America and there are dynos to demonstrate what it's doing in those particular applications.

I can understand you guys getting frustrated that it's taking a while to bring the product to market in your region but really, come on. I'm not convinced Innovate are approaching it in the right way, as in waiting for CARB approval before letting any consumer buy it. Seems a bit crazy as some of your states are not regulated by CARB (as far as I understand it).

Why don't some of you, who seem to care so much, pick up the phone and call Innovate and ask them why they have decided to launch the product in this way? Chances are they're just the exclusive distributor for the product and didn't have much/any involvement in its development. Of course being the exclusive dizzy, they would be the people to feed back problems with the product during initial installations, so you could call that 'development' if you want. Ultimately it's just a sprintex unit bolted on top of an inlet manifold which appears to be ripped off from the OE one anyway, but with a mounting flange for the charger/heat exchanger. I bet it didn't even see a flow bench.

If you want to buy one today, then import it. Nothing stopping you doing that, is there? The rest of the world imports enough crap from America, now the tables are turned it seems!

CARB is only a California-centric thing. The rest of our states don't have enough socialist-hippies yet.

I think people are just ancy to get some more clarity and expectation of the kit. I think in America we are accustom to businesses managing expectations. Innovate has just closed the door on contact to their consumer community. Not sure the reasons, I'm just anxiously waiting this kit's release. I plan to buy it right away but feel more comfortable when others are up and running too.

[nonicname]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

What's wrong with you people?

This package is available outside of North America and there are dynos to demonstrate what it's doing in those particular applications.

I can understand you guys getting frustrated that it's taking a while to bring the product to market in your region but really, come on. I'm not convinced Innovate are approaching it in the right way, as in waiting for CARB approval before letting any consumer buy it. Seems a bit crazy as some of your states are not regulated by CARB (as far as I understand it).

Why don't some of you, who seem to care so much, pick up the phone and call Innovate and ask them why they have decided to launch the product in this way? Chances are they're just the exclusive distributor for the product and didn't have much/any involvement in its development. Of course being the exclusive dizzy, they would be the people to feed back problems with the product during initial installations, so you could call that 'development' if you want. Ultimately it's just a sprintex unit bolted on top of an inlet manifold which appears to be ripped off from the OE one anyway, but with a mounting flange for the charger/heat exchanger. I bet it didn't even see a flow bench.

If you want to buy one today, then import it. Nothing stopping you doing that, is there? The rest of the world imports enough crap from America, now the tables are turned it seems!

what a stupid argument! seriously import it? cuz everybody has lots of money to throw around by importing something.

1)you live in the wrong state.
2)Carb approval has nothing to do with making Dyno runs.
3)Dynos in other countries with real gas (not the water in the US) will yield different results so I do not care for them. they also use different ofunitsmeasurement.

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by nonicname

what a stupid argument! seriously import it? cuz everybody has lots of money to throw around by importing something.

Sorry to bring this shock to you but the Sprintex supercharger kit is imported. It's not 'Made in America'. Neither is your car.

Originally Posted by nonicname

1)you live in the wrong state.

As humourous as it would be to agree (as I don't live in America at all), I am not sure that's what you meant. Even still, just to further clarify, I don't live in America.

Originally Posted by nonicname

2)Carb approval has nothing to do with making Dyno runs.

And dyno runs have little to do with anything other than waffling crap on forums.

Originally Posted by nonicname

3)Dynos in other countries with real gas (not the water in the US) will yield different results so I do not care for them. they also use different ofunitsmeasurement.

Even though you may not be able to use punctuation accordingly, I have faith you can Google for "horsepower to kilowatt conversion".