Eneos 0w20

[tracerit]

Is the Eneos 0w20 Sustina the oil I should get or the regular Eneo 0w20? This will be my first oil change, doing it at about 3000 miles.

[Laika]

They'll both fit. I ran regular Eneos for a few thousand. Pretty average from a subjective point of view. I like sustina better.

[Myv]

Same mileage after oil change (Eneos 0W-20), felt like it had more power/responsiveness though but could just be in my mind.

[viscositosis.rex]

There is an image posted in this thread that looks strangely familiar to me. I have now used Sustina 0W20 for 60k miles. I ran it for 10k miles, changed the oil and did a UOA. I eventually stretched the oil change intervals out to 19k miles. This oil did not thin due to fuel dilution or shear. It stayed in grade to almost 20k miles inspite of the fact that is essentially the lightest motor oil on the market. There was sufficient additive retention to go 21k+ miles per oil change, in my circumstances. Men, I could write a book on almost everything covered in this entire thread. I am so freaking glad that I found somebody to talk to about the sustina. That's all for now.
Murray (not "Mori," a troll on bitog)

[Laika]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

There is an image posted in this thread that looks strangely familiar to me. I have now used Sustina 0W20 for 60k miles. I ran it for 10k miles, changed the oil and did a UOA. I eventually stretched the oil change intervals out to 19k miles. This oil did not thin due to fuel dilution or shear. It stayed in grade to almost 20k miles inspite of the fact that is essentially the lightest motor oil on the market. There was sufficient additive retention to go 21k+ miles per oil change, in my circumstances. Men, I could write a book on almost everything covered in this entire thread. I am so freaking glad that I found somebody to talk to about the sustina. That's all for now.
Murray (not "Mori," a troll on bitog)

Well, I for one am glad to have you here. Please, feel free to share any doc's or UOA's you have of your experiences with Sustina. Although if they are linked to BITOG I might be SOL as I believe I'm still banned


19k is a pretty crazy OCI relative to the norms around this forum. Not unbelievable considering oil/engine advancement but still, very far out of the standard deviation of any OCI I ever heard of.

[Captain Insano]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

There is an image posted in this thread that looks strangely familiar to me. I have now used Sustina 0W20 for 60k miles. I ran it for 10k miles, changed the oil and did a UOA. I eventually stretched the oil change intervals out to 19k miles. This oil did not thin due to fuel dilution or shear. It stayed in grade to almost 20k miles inspite of the fact that is essentially the lightest motor oil on the market. There was sufficient additive retention to go 21k+ miles per oil change, in my circumstances. Men, I could write a book on almost everything covered in this entire thread. I am so freaking glad that I found somebody to talk to about the sustina. That's all for now.
Murray (not "Mori," a troll on bitog)

Impressed. Glad I switched to sustina!!

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

There is an image posted in this thread that looks strangely familiar to me. I have now used Sustina 0W20 for 60k miles. I ran it for 10k miles, changed the oil and did a UOA. I eventually stretched the oil change intervals out to 19k miles. This oil did not thin due to fuel dilution or shear. It stayed in grade to almost 20k miles inspite of the fact that is essentially the lightest motor oil on the market. There was sufficient additive retention to go 21k+ miles per oil change, in my circumstances. Men, I could write a book on almost everything covered in this entire thread. I am so freaking glad that I found somebody to talk to about the sustina. That's all for now.
Murray (not "Mori," a troll on bitog)

Got a uoa on that 19k run?

-Dennis

[viscositosis.rex]

Yes. toyotanation.com. search "neweneos" the apr1, 2013 thread. p2, posting22. this is the mother of all uoa's imho. apologies for being unable to link or post image promptly. feel free to post anywhere. 10k mile uoa also on bitog. uoa topic, p.30. yeah, I was banned, too, without explanation. I now count three sustina users banned from bitog under unusual circumstances. still I say it is a great website. they should be more interested in cutting edge motor oil technology and less interested in protectionism, xenophobia or whatever. I will be glad to discuss sustina with you all later. please analyze away on my uoa's. enjoy. hope this helps with your machines. performance. performance. you know they gots to put a factory turbo on FR-S/BRZ soon.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

Yes. toyotanation.com. search "neweneos" the apr1, 2013 thread. p2, posting22. this is the mother of all uoa's imho. apologies for being unable to link or post image promptly. feel free to post anywhere. 10k mile uoa also on bitog. uoa topic, p.30. yeah, I was banned, too, without explanation. I now count three sustina users banned from bitog under unusual circumstances. still I say it is a great website. they should be more interested in cutting edge motor oil technology and less interested in protectionism, xenophobia or whatever. I will be glad to discuss sustina with you all later. please analyze away on my uoa's. enjoy. hope this helps with your machines. performance. performance. you know they gots to put a factory turbo on FR-S/BRZ soon.

Ok, you're a delivery driver that drives 100k miles per year. Impressive uoa, but people should not get the impression that the oil will perform the same for them.

Yes, it's a very good oil but people have to compare apples to apples. A BRZ/FR-S is high revving and will likely experience fuel dilution from the direct injection, both which are very hard on oil. Throw in some very spirited driving, short trips, etc. and the results could be very different.

Again, not trying to detract from your good uoa. There were two Motul X-cess uoa's posted at bitog recently. One from a VW Passat with 5k on the oil and one from a modified WRX with 9k on the oil. The WRX uoa looked much better than the VW uoa. This is why people should do more uoa's!

I would also look into other uoa companies besides Blackstone because you need more data, IMO. You may have some oxidation going on since the viscosity is a bit thicker than what Eneos states it is.

Thanks for sharing.

-Dennis

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

Ok, you're a delivery driver that drives 100k miles per year. Impressive uoa, but people should not get the impression that the oil will perform the same for them.

Yes, it's a very good oil but people have to compare apples to apples. A BRZ/FR-S is high revving and will likely experience fuel dilution from the direct injection, both which are very hard on oil. Throw in some very spirited driving, short trips, etc. and the results could be very different.

Again, not trying to detract from your good uoa. There were two Motul X-cess uoa's posted at bitog recently. One from a VW Passat with 5k on the oil and one from a modified WRX with 9k on the oil. The WRX uoa looked much better than the VW uoa. This is why people should do more uoa's!

I would also look into other uoa companies besides Blackstone because you need more data, IMO. You may have some oxidation going on since the viscosity is a bit thicker than what Eneos states it is.

Thanks for sharing.

-Dennis

Each and every one of your points is spot on. I do 200+ highway miles each day. UOAs on other oils showed that my circumstances are easy on oil. It would be mandatory to do UOAs with a DI performance machine. With extended OCIs and improved MPGs sustina isn't so expensive after all. I noticed a profound performance improvement with sustina (VI 229) even versus TGMO (VI 216.) Regarding oxidative thickening, it is indeed wise for me to not extend the OCI beyond 15k miles. I think you guys can double your OCIs. I will try to talk later about sustina vs motul and viscosity modifiers. Great stuff! All the best. Murray.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

I think you guys can double your OCIs.

Agreed. But keeping in mind that those that want/need to follow the manufacturers oil change interval to maintain their warranty will have to change every 7,500 miles. Which probably is double for some people.

-Dennis

[regal]

I decided this Mazda SkyActive 0W-20 High Moly GL5 to be the best choice for my FR-S. The Toyota 0w-20 has been reported to have been cutting back on both phosphorous and moly according to recent posts at BOG. The Mazda oil was $105 shipped vs $85 shipped per case of the Toyota and think it is worth the extra.

The Mazda oil being developed for DI engines and having good measureable anti-wear Moly and Boron content made my decision. The Sustaina 0w20 was just too expensive at $80 for only 6 quarts shipped. I am following the service manual recommendation of 3500 mile OCI since I live in a very hilly area. If I was going 7500+ mil OCI I would have picked the new Eneos.

[viscositosis.rex]

Originally Posted by regal

I decided this Mazda SkyActive 0W-20 High Moly GL5 to be the best choice for my FR-S. The Toyota 0w-20 has been reported to have been cutting back on both phosphorous and moly according to recent posts at BOG. The Mazda oil was $105 shipped vs $85 shipped per case of the Toyota and think it is worth the extra.

The Mazda oil being developed for DI engines and having good measureable anti-wear Moly and Boron content made my decision. The Sustaina 0w20 was just too expensive at $80 for only 6 quarts shipped. I am following the service manual recommendation of 3500 mile OCI since I live in a very hilly area. If I was going 7500+ mil OCI I would have picked the new Eneos.

I totally respect your decision to use high moly Mazda oil. However, I would argue that the Toyota is superior oil. The moly that Toyota uses is more potent and effective, hence the smaller dosage. Mazda's approach to DI intake deposit issues is higher engine temperature not highest motor oil technology.
Yes Sustina is very expensive. It should only be used for extended oil change intervals with caution. I consider Sustina to be worth the cost. The experts at the greatest tribology lab in New Jersey and elsewhere have discovered, shockingly, that groupIII+ oils and small doses of the latest polymers are where it's at. This is over groupIV and also under racing conditions as well as with street performance machines!
I can tell you this from personal experience: Having used Red Line 0W20, TGMO 0W20, and Sustina 0W20, Sustina offered the best performance for me. This is just my humble opinion. I believe that the W Base is really something to talk about for starters. The Japanese tribologists have used just the right amount of newest polymers and boron to create a winning formula.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by viscositosis.rex

I totally respect your decision to use high moly Mazda oil. However, I would argue that the Toyota is superior oil. The moly that Toyota uses is more potent and effective, hence the smaller dosage. Mazda's approach to DI intake deposit issues is higher engine temperature not highest motor oil technology.
Yes Sustina is very expensive. It should only be used for extended oil change intervals with caution. I consider Sustina to be worth the cost. The experts at the greatest tribology lab in New Jersey and elsewhere have discovered, shockingly, that groupIII+ oils and small doses of the latest polymers are where it's at. This is over groupIV and also under racing conditions as well as with street performance machines!
I can tell you this from personal experience: Having used Red Line 0W20, TGMO 0W20, and Sustina 0W20, Sustina offered the best performance for me. This is just my humble opinion. I believe that the W Base is really something to talk about for starters. The Japanese tribologists have used just the right amount of newest polymers and boron to create a winning formula.

I don't buy your logic that TGMO is superior to Mazda oil simply based on the fact that it uses tri-nuclear moly or even that it has a very high Viscosity Index. Even a good tribologist will tell you not to focus on a single aspect when picking an oil.

At the very least, I would like to see some uoa trends on a BRZ/FR-S to at see how an oil holds up in these cars instead of, for example, a couple of random uoa's from a Corolla or picking an oil based on a virgin oil analysis.

And how did you determine that Sustina offered the best performance? From the cool valve cover pics on the Eneos web site? Pennzoil uses a lot of boron in Ultra, although they have said that boron is not the key to the oil's cleaning ability. It's all splitting hairs really and there's probably not much difference in any of these oils over 200,000 miles. The GF5 oils are really closing the performance gap in oil these days.
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-Dennis