Form > Function

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by SLICVIC

Ok, serious question, because I made a claim, but I honestly don't know: How often do you go through tires? Or are there specialized tires made for that kind of negative camber? What does that kind of rubber cost?

Since you've made yourself known now, why not take this thread from just purely bashing hellaflush and give us a bit of edumacation

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

check this out

The lawn mower is awesome!

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Ok, serious question, because I made a claim, but I honestly don't know: How often do you go through tires? Or are there specialized tires made for that kind of negative camber? What does that kind of rubber cost?

Since you've made yourself known now, why not take this thread from just purely bashing hellaflush and give us a bit of edumacation

Why would he bother trying to explain something to people who will just turn around and tell him he is wrong or stupid? lol.

It all depends on the camber hes running, but if your toe is set to 0 you surprisingly will not eat through tires as fast as people would think.

[GNS]

Courtesy of fywdyl over at torontomazda3:



So I just got a chance to take a few pics of the new setup. First a
few pics of the current setup to compare:

Current setup. Huge nasty gap, yuck:




Test fit of new setup. SUPER STANCE HELLAFLUSH YO!!!!:




Tried taking a few steps with the new setup. It's brutal to walk in. I
don't think I can do this next year.

Winter mode:



I'll have to stick with winter mode for now... don't want to get slush
all over my pants!

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

Why would he bother trying to explain something to people who will just turn around and tell him he is wrong or stupid? lol.

It all depends on the camber hes running, but if your toe is set to 0 you surprisingly will not eat through tires as fast as people would think.

That's the internet for you. I don't like it--but to each is own. Doesn't mean I don't have questions.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

It all depends on the camber hes running, but if your toe is set to 0 you surprisingly will not eat through tires as fast as people would think.

Really? bring these -5degree+ camber cars to the track and lets see what happens

[SkullWorks]

there is no edumacation to be had,

there is nothing in the suspension designed to be loaded that way, the kids involved in this "scene" wouldn't do this if they understood what was actually happening. or they would continue despite the realization that they are endangering themselves and those around them...either way don't expect any statements leading to an "ah-ha" moment...maybe a haha moment but no clarity will come from these masterminds of negative camber.

[xxscaxx]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Really? bring these -5degree+ camber cars to the track and lets see what happens

I'm not talking about the track.

Get off your high horse Gem. I know you are some track god that parades this place like you are a know it all, but that doesn't make you better than anyone else that is on this forum.

I don't agree with how much camber hes running, and I was talking more in terms of a more mild camber setup. So my fault for not clarifying.

My brother has -3 camber in the rear on his GR STi. He is on his third year of using them on the street (not through winter though)

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

there is no edumacation to be had,

there is nothing in the suspension designed to be loaded that way, the kids involved in this "scene" wouldn't do this if they understood what was actually happening. or they would continue despite the realization that they are endangering themselves and those around them...either way don't expect any statements leading to an "ah-ha" moment...maybe a haha moment but no clarity will come from these masterminds of negative camber.

I'm purely curious. Not looking to understand any further why this is done, which I already said, I never plan on doing because I value my investments.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

My brother has -3 camber in the rear on his GR STi. He is on his third year of using them on the street (not through winter though)

My friend's GC8 STi runs -3 and it doesn't look out of place, either. Heck, a lot of BMW's run at least -3 from the factory.

[Huehuecoyotl]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

I'm not talking about the track.

Get off your high horse Gem. I know you are some track god that parades this place like you are a know it all, but that doesn't make you better than anyone else that is on this forum.

I don't agree with how much camber hes running, and I was talking more in terms of a more mild camber setup. So my fault for not clarifying.

My brother has -3 camber in the rear on his GR STi. He is on his third year of using them on the street (not through winter though)

well thats just GREAT then

Maybe we should get your brother to counsel us on why he is running -3 on the street, by all measures, thats way too much for a street alignment, but perhaps I will learn something about aligning cars for the street today.

but your brothers not wrong for setting it up like that if thats what you want,
like the OP, some guys run -5, what do I know

and I'm not on a high horse. take a look at what the factory specs are, and if someone is gonna deviate from that, they should have sound reasons why they are dialing in a certain setting, be it -1,-2-3,-4 or -7.

My M3 setup for street and track has only -1.2 rear and my BRZ is a measly -2.0 rear, that I am gonna dial back down a hair
I'm just not doing it right, I cant wait till I can have someone show me how to do this correctly.

[Gunman]

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Really? bring these -5degree+ camber cars to the track and lets see what happens

fwiw Speedsource used to run -5° and more, on their RX8 Grand Am GT cars. We had to redesign the suspension on the second generation chassis to accommodate all the negative camber they wanted.

[Huehuecoyotl]

so lots of posts about so and so did that and this, does that validate that for you then?

[SLICVIC]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

Ok, serious question, because I made a claim, but I honestly don't know: How often do you go through tires? Or are there specialized tires made for that kind of negative camber? What does that kind of rubber cost?

Since you've made yourself known now, why not take this thread from just purely bashing hellaflush and give us a bit of edumacation

Well from what i know , odd Camber isnt the cause of premature tire wear. if your Toe alignment is off, whether 0 degrees or -11 degrees of camber, the tires wear down prematurely do to "scrubbing" . My last car, 2006 STi, had about -8ish camber in the rear with the toe never corrected and mightve put on about 5k miles and still had plenty of life left on the tires . To answer your question , between the brz and my old sti, ive NEVER had to replace tires for ANY reason, BUT neither were daily driven.