Borla UEL Header - Pics / Videos / Dynos - FT-86 SpeedFactory Review

[NoFear99]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

Maybe 2-3 years before you start seeing it peel and rust.

I drive my car 6-7 months per year (April to october).
The car will never see winter.
I do about 6 000 miles per year.
I dont track my car.
It's a daily street car.
I will keep and have fun with it may be 3 - 4 - 5 years and then another sports car will come out on the market and I will want to change to be up to date again.

Will I get more monney for my car when I will want to sell it because I have a JDL headers on it instead of a borla ? Not a penney more.

In those conditions, I dont see why the borla would fall apart after 2-3 years only and why I should spend more monney to get a headers that will be better than something already pretty good.

Peoples who track theirs cars put a lot of stress on them and may look at something stronger but otherwise for the big majority Borla have quality products that will respond/meet our expectation.

JDL is trying to justify why they will ask a lot more monney for their headers and he said that he even tought the Borla wasnt in stainless steel. JDL is an artist and Borla is a big company with experience, knowledge and big factory behind them and they can produce in mass, scale economy that's it.

This is from the Borla Website :

Each system is built from premium austenitic stainless steel, superior to T-400 series knockoffs, to give you the absolute best in performance and durability. Ultra-smooth mandrel bends ensure maximum flow and power, and precision computer-controlled CNC manufacturing ensures an accurate fit. Best of all, BORLA stands behind every system with a Million-Mile Warranty. Just what you'd expect from the world's most experienced (and most winning) exhaust brand.

[FR-S Matt]

If you can't see the quality difference of a hand made piece versus a 600 dollar machine welded header with little research poured into it, then by all means go with Borla. When your header rusts later down the road and isn't coated, don't say I didn't warn you. Read the collector portion of JDL's header, then look at Borla's collector. You'll see differences right away. Nameless is going to run longer tubes in their header. I wouldn't doubt you will see a bit higher performance from those headers.

You get what you pay for. I'll leave it at that.

[NoFear99]

I dont understand why you think it is a down side that something is done by a machine because machines dont do mistakes. Machines are equal in their movement and building quality, capacity. Machines dont knows when it is friday PM. Machines will never be distract be anything. A well programmed machine will make the job just perfect like you want to.

For example: Have your car painted by somebody and you will probably find something somewhere you dont like. No job made by human is perfect.

Take an oem paint done by machines and the result is very hard to beat no matter which paint shop you will go. I know by experience, I tried a lot of them with good reputation and the result is never like the factory.

Something created by hand is unique, a piece of art but doesnt means better than something created at scale necessary. Just different.

Perhaps JDL or others small headers shop will comes with a better flow solution than the Borla, times will tell.

Everything is possible but at which cost and for how big of a difference.

Are you Toretto or Michael Schumacher to want to be faster by a quarter of second ?

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by NoFear99

I dont understand why you think it is a down side that something is done by a machine because machines dont do mistakes. Machines are equal in their movement and building quality, capacity. Machines dont knows when it is friday PM. Machines will never be distract be anything. A well programmed machine will make the job just perfect like you want to.

Usually means it's being made as cheap as possible.

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Usually means it's being made as cheap as possible.

Exactly. It's made for mass production, not to last. I have some Hooker headers on my Camaro, very well respected brand, mass produced. They've got a good amount of rust on the flanges near the engine. If you coat a good pair of high quality headers, they will last through weather and heat.

[meeks]

reading from page one which was really resourceful with all the information posted to page 6 with just plain bickering. *sigh* what happened?

anyway. anybody else have videos with different exhaust combinations with this header? its really a good thread imo for people thinking about getting the actual product.

[Captain Insano]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

if you can wait that will be my setup, except i have a greddy evo 3...which is louder

When you doin this sir?? Definitely interested in hearing it.

BTW, is the Greddy Evo3 louder than the Invidia N1? I know in the DSport reviews the Evo3 was viewed as loud by that group, but the N1 wasn't part of the comparo so I don't have a direct frame of reference when comparing both.

[Jive Turkey]

i'm gonna wait for the other UEL headers to be released, then figure out whats what. regardless i'll be UEL, catless with two resonators.

evo 3 is louder hands down. but its a completely different tone.

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by NoFear99

I drive my car 6-7 months per year (April to october).
The car will never see winter.
I do about 6 000 miles per year.
I dont track my car.
It's a daily street car.
I will keep and have fun with it may be 3 - 4 - 5 years and then another sports car will come out on the market and I will want to change to be up to date again.

Will I get more monney for my car when I will want to sell it because I have a JDL headers on it instead of a borla ? Not a penney more.

In those conditions, I dont see why the borla would fall apart after 2-3 years only and why I should spend more monney to get a headers that will be better than something already pretty good.

Peoples who track theirs cars put a lot of stress on them and may look at something stronger but otherwise for the big majority Borla have quality products that will respond/meet our expectation.

JDL is trying to justify why they will ask a lot more monney for their headers and he said that he even tought the Borla wasnt in stainless steel. JDL is an artist and Borla is a big company with experience, knowledge and big factory behind them and they can produce in mass, scale economy that's it.

This is from the Borla Website :

Each system is built from premium austenitic stainless steel, superior to T-400 series knockoffs, to give you the absolute best in performance and durability. Ultra-smooth mandrel bends ensure maximum flow and power, and precision computer-controlled CNC manufacturing ensures an accurate fit. Best of all, BORLA stands behind every system with a Million-Mile Warranty. Just what you'd expect from the world's most experienced (and most winning) exhaust brand.

Okay, so your car sees weather (water), and is exposed to the outdoor elements which allows it to rust.

"This product is intended for "off-road" use only and not eligible for Borla's warranty. Please check with your local state laws to see how removal of the primary cat may affect you.:

Straight from FT-86 Speedfactory's site, an authorized Borla dealer.

You do realize Borla writes that message on like half their products to make you think it falls under their warranty? Read the fine print.

Borla was the first to jump on the UEL header market and I don't think it is a terrible choice for the price point. I just think when you see the other headers with different tubing and better collectors, there will be a difference.

You're probably right, this product will suit a good number of individuals who want this for daily driving and street performance. I was even considering it at one point, but there's no "in depth" R&D that Borla shared about this header at all. They just simply said, "Here's a UEL header, it sounds AWESOME" and that's about it along with throwing a dyno chart.

It's more believable when you see the stages of header development from companies like JDL and Nameless that go very in depth technically with all the aspects of the header. Even though you may not understand all of it, you do to some extent and they give reasoning why they did this, and that, and not that, etc.

Sorry to go off topic so much, this thread is about the Borla UEL header, it does sound amazing, and I hope I am proven wrong about everything I've said. This header does sound amazing and I am sure it will work out well for anyone who buys it from FT-86 Speedfactory.

[FT-86 SpeedFactory]

Originally Posted by meeks

reading from page one which was really resourceful with all the information posted to page 6 with just plain bickering. *sigh* what happened?

anyway. anybody else have videos with different exhaust combinations with this header? its really a good thread imo for people thinking about getting the actual product.

I stuck a catted Invidia Front Pipe on the car today. It's snowing outside and overall crappy, but I did fire it up in the shop. The sound changed noticeably. Snow and other crap weather should be gone soon and we'll get some stationary rev and drive by videos with the Front Pipe change. I personally like it better.

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory

I stuck a catted Invidia Front Pipe on the car today. It's snowing outside and overall crappy, but I did fire it up in the shop. The sound changed noticeably. Snow and other crap weather should be gone soon and we'll get some stationary rev and drive by videos with the Front Pipe change. I personally like it better.

See? I told you catted was awesome!

[FT-86 SpeedFactory]

Originally Posted by FR-S Matt

See? I told you catted was awesome!

lol quiet down.

[FR-S Matt]

Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory

lol quiet down.

Haha, can't wait to hear it. I know it's going to be that perfect deep tone without being overbearing, but still really loud. Cats are so good at taming down that aggressiveness headers add.

[Opposed]

Originally Posted by meeks

reading from page one which was really resourceful with all the information posted to page 6 with just plain bickering. *sigh* what happened?

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