Not Happy with Performance

[Pete]

@kombatlion I agree that it has less power than I would like. Lucky for us many shops are designing turbo & superchargers to correct this deficiency. Also tunes, exhausts, any level of performance you want to add is available or will be soon.

Happy motoring in Puerto Rico! Please post some pics of your favorite roads out there.

[Xdragonxb0i]

I guess you were to optimistic with 200hp at the flywheel = ~165whp. With basic mods and a tune it will get bumped up to 190-200whp. I dont normally race, and i know my friends stock v6 Accord will smoke me. But Its ITR Fast so im happy with that.

[_F-R-S_]

Fking troll

[ichitaka05]

You have 3 options (& all of em have been mentioned)
1. Take a hit & go buy FI kit. Result, wheel spin everywhere.
2. Do NA mods. Result, a lot of money for small result.
3. Go buy other car. Result, may not like the looks of the car, may not be lightweight, but you got the hp that you wanted.

It's one of these 3 options. Cuz, 86 isn't perfect car to begin with. It's mod car. It was meant to be modded to your taste.

[kombatlion]

Originally Posted by Pete

@kombatlion I agree that it has less power than I would like. Lucky for us many shops are designing turbo & superchargers to correct this deficiency. Also tunes, exhausts, any level of performance you want to add is available or will be soon.

Happy motoring in Puerto Rico! Please post some pics of your favorite roads out there.

Thanks I will, Soon also post a video in a closed road from Guayama to Cayey all mountain curves.. thanks again.

[kombatlion]

Thanks to all, I will make a desicion on the mods next month... I need it to hear what people that own the car told me to make up my mind. Now I just give it some pillow time and decide where to go... Next month I will post my pictures with the APR Kit and some nice Puertorican courves... Thanks!!

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by kombatlion

I have my FRS for 3 months now I think is very good looking car, also handleling is awsome but horse power is weak. Here in Puerto Rico they have this Mitsubishi Mirage non-turbo from 1995 to 1998. And just with a couple of modifications they are around the horsepower of the FRS. I come from VW GTI Turbo that with a couple of mods I am around 220wp. Now I need $3500 for a turbo or supercharge to be around 240hp thats a lot of money buy I need this bad I believe the car is under power just my opinion.

Twice you use the comparison to cars with "Just a couple of modifications" that will bring the cars up tp FRS levels. What if you did the same level of tuning to the FRS? Would that not keep you happy?

The other advantage to the FRS is that you won't see a lot of them on the island. So that should work to your advantage. Me, I would love to to a blast up to El Yunque early in the morning before the crowds get there! I was back on the island this summer after a 40 year leave, and had forgotten how driver intense the roads are. I bet I could scare myself just fine with the FRS's power.

[Gixxersixxerman]

i went on a business trip to PR.. i guess because of working in El Paso for a bit and looking over into Juarez, that was my expectations of PR.. my co worker never said anything.. we went.. the minute we landed i was shocked.. totally not what i expected.. that month of work there was just amazing.. like all places it had its bad spots.. but in whole it was a nice place.. the roads wasn't the best ever, and needed work, but it was still fun.. and the tracks.. Jeez.. im a big rotary fan.. well look no farther then PR.. it has to be the rotary capital of the world.. they swap those things in everything.. toyotas, nissans, old 4age's in everything too.. and FAST.. some of the fastest run "what you brung" cars at a strip that ive seen.. it seemed just about everything was running faster then 11's.. i bet the slowest car i seen there still ran a 13.. and they drive fast around every where else.. the passion they have for their cars and the scene is awesome.. i seen cars run for slips, down a mountain road, and a drag race.. they had it all.. i spent to much time at fort Buchanan, but that's what i was there for.. still id love to go just for vacation

[FRiSson]

You need a little perspective Kombatlion. The post WWII period was the golden era for the development of true sports cars. I am not talking about exotic supercars here, but true sports car. A true sports car is a low-slung, compact, and lightweight vehicle that is a precision tool for driving. It does this by communicating information to the driver about the road that helps the driver do his/her job better. A true sports car is far more responsive than ordinary cars to the driver's commands. It brakes better, it steers more responsively and has has an engine that tells you exactly how to get the best out of it. True sports cars include such legendary cars as the Austin-Healey, Triumph, Corvette, Jaguar, Aston, and even, early Ferraris. These cars required sacrifice, their rides were rough and they required a high degree of focus and energy to drive. Typically, these cars weighed from 2,000-3,000 lbs and had engines that delivered between roughly 100 - 200 horsepower. They were also the focus of aerodynamic improvements that made them unusually aesthetic and beautiful to behold. They had fairly powerful motors for their size, but they never competed on horsepower or torque with the big American cruisers or exotics with 6 or 8 cylinder engines. The idea was that they had enough power to be fast, but not enough to do the straightline drag race stuff. That kind of car is the "muscle car" and they very rarely competed with each other.

Roughly 20 years ago, the market for true sports cars, muscle cars and exotics got kind of confused. The market for true sports cars shrunk, and most of the companies went out of business, muscle cars were less popular and the remaining sports car makers decided to pursue the super-wealthy market. In addition, there were very few buyers for cars that did not surround the driver with comfort and space. The result was that the sports car market split into two different arenas. The first was the development of the "sports sedan", a misnomer. Basically it is a comfortable sedan or coupe that has the handling capabilities of a sports car but lacks the true sports car spirit - a machine that requires the driver's full attention to get the best out of it. The other direction the sports car market went was into ever more exotic levels of technology. Today's supercars have astonishing horsepower, grip and handling, but are so complex that the driver is merely sharing some of the driving responsibilities with computers. They are more liked manned earthbound drones than true sports cars. Their buyers are no longer the masochistic sports cars fanatics of the past, but are more likely 90-hour-per-week financiers who want something that looks good to drive to their beach house on Sundays.

In the meantime, the US got back into the muscle car business, and the Japanese invented the "hot hatch". But neither of these should be confused with true sports cars. For the hot hatch is essentially a compact commuter car brilliantly transformed into something sporty, while the muscle car is still designed for drag strip performance, and while capable handlers, are still bulky, heavy machines.

The FR-Z was deliberately built as a throwback, or a return to the true sports car. The emphasis was on a lightweight low slung body, with a demanding, but highly responsive chassis. The FR-Z is a modernized, affordable version of the great sports cars of the past. Engine power is just about right. It is enough to communicate and respond vigorously to the driver, but not enough to let you lazily hit the throttle every time you need to speed up. This is a car that requires you to be engaged, to hear and respond to the gearing, and to listen to what the road and chassis is telling you.

So don't be surprised when FR-Z owners don't care about out-dragging Genesis Coupes, STI's or Mustangs, our bloodline goes back to a much older tradition, the noble and nearly-vanquished heritage of the true sports car.

[raul]

Originally Posted by russv

Where in Puerto Rico would you use that horsepower?

Have you been in PR? There's plenty of places where to use that power.

[lazyluka]

What size tyres are you running?

It looks to me like you put on some high grip tyres on there...

If you still have your stock tyres, and if the roads are wet, put them back on and go for a drive on a twisty road. Preferably one with a few low speed hairpins that you can take in 1st or 2nd gear. Give it a bit off gas on corner exit and even with it's puny power output you should get a massive smile.

I have lot's of friends who think power and overall speed mean a fun car. The thing is, at the end of the day, I have never had any speeding tickets where as they have. To be honest most of the time I actually find the car too fast and it's only on the uphill sections where I wish it would be a tiny bit faster.

Personally I would recommend a supercharger as it would give you a more linear response while satisfying your power hunger. It's also a slightly safer option compared to a turbo. Just remember that these car's run hot, invest in an oil cooler when getting your FI kit and even then you still may have a few cooling issues if you drive the car hard.

[CaptainSlow]

Seriously, if you want acceleration, get a bike. You can't match that...spend the $3-4k you'd spend on a turbo kit and go out and buy a GSX-R or R6.

[Braces]

Originally Posted by dun3

Sounds like you can only drive strait.

I agree. But he's on an island. At some point ... he will need to turn left or right.

Back on thread ... yes the car is slow in the straights, but every time I go around a sharp corner faster and faster .... I remember why I have this car.

30mpg with what this car can do is awesome.

The car was designed to be a go cart .... not a drag racer.

[lantsalot]

Originally Posted by FRiSson

So don't be surprised when FR-Z owners don't care about out-dragging Genesis Coupes, STI's or Mustangs, our bloodline goes back to a much older tradition, the noble and nearly-vanquished blood line of the true sports car.

Sniff, sniff....that was beautiful man