Scion TC owners bitter?

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by low trq

They are in different prepared classes also....

I'm usually on a full out track, not autoXing.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by low trq

You can make any turd fast. The point is that in order to get that turd to move, it needs way more work than most of the other cars we are talking about. It comes from the factory ready to fall on it's face.

Nope it doesn't. Hence the reason someone mentioned it responds very well to mods. It don't take a crap load of more money to make a tC quick dude. Go research. A simple bolt on turbo setup (3k dollars) at 8psi would put bus lengths on a 350z. 8psi is enough to walk all those cars you listed. You would have to start modding those cars then to keep up with the tC (which they already cost more to start with). Seen 10psi boosting tC take a Z on a 75shot. tC has the same suspension layout as the SI, just not as stiff.

All those cars cost more than a tC because the tC is minus the stuff those come with from the factory. If Scion had added that stuff from the factory just like those cars and made it the same price, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But they didn't. There is no trim level and it's marketed as a blank canvas. Soon as you give it a little wake up call...it performs.

[low trq]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Nope it doesn't. Hence the reason someone mentioned it responds very well to mods. It don't take a crap load of more money to make a tC quick dude. Go research. A simple bolt on turbo setup (3k dollars) at 8psi would put bus lengths on a 350z. 8psi is enough to walk all those cars you listed. You would have to start modding those cars then to keep up with the tC. Seen 10psi boosting tC take a Z on a 75shot. tC has the same suspension layout as the SI, just not as stiff.

All those cars cost more than a tC because the tC is minus the stuff those come with from the factory. If Scion had added that stuff from the factory just like those cars and made it the same price, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But they didn't. There is no trim level and it's marketed as a blank canvas. Soon as you give it a little wake up call...it performs.

I don't waste my time with boost on track cars, sorry. But pretending like I cared about boost, could I not add a turbo kit to my Civic Si....? If you really do "race" as much as you say you do, you should know that suspension layout is only a small portion of the equation. The TC is a failbox, get over it.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by low trq

I don't waste my time with boost on track cars, sorry. But pretending like I cared about boost, could I not add a turbo kit to my Civic Si....? If you really do "race" as much as you say you do, you should know that suspension layout is only a small portion of the equation. The TC is a failbox, get over it.

Fail....of a response. Go back and read the part of it being about the driver when it comes to the track that I said already. Of course mr. obvious suspension is a small part (I was pointing that out only to show it's not some upper class car far above a tC. It has the same suspension layout). I wouldn't waste my time with an SI UNLESS it did have a turbo..

[Tanuki]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Youtube is your friend...

So get out of my house more or watch more Youtube? Now you really have me confused.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Tanuki

So get out of my house more or watch more Youtube? Now you really have me confused.

You don't have to play dumb.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by low trq

I don't waste my time with boost on track cars, sorry. But pretending like I cared about boost, could I not add a turbo kit to my Civic Si....? If you really do "race" as much as you say you do, you should know that suspension layout is only a small portion of the equation. The TC is a failbox, get over it.

the car isnt a failure because you dont like forced induction.

[vtmike]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

Nope it doesn't. Hence the reason someone mentioned it responds very well to mods. It don't take a crap load of more money to make a tC quick dude. Go research. A simple bolt on turbo setup (3k dollars) at 8psi would put bus lengths on a 350z. 8psi is enough to walk all those cars you listed. You would have to start modding those cars then to keep up with the tC (which they already cost more to start with). Seen 10psi boosting tC take a Z on a 75shot. tC has the same suspension layout as the SI, just not as stiff.

All those cars cost more than a tC because the tC is minus the stuff those come with from the factory. If Scion had added that stuff from the factory just like those cars and made it the same price, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. But they didn't. There is no trim level and it's marketed as a blank canvas. Soon as you give it a little wake up call...it performs.

With a little work you could find a nice srt-4 acr at a decent price. With a decent tune it could be making 280 whp. There is no way you could build as competent and quick of a car for road courses out of a tC for as cheap.

Same scenario with a nice used evo 7, 8, or 9. To make a tC as quick as a bolt on tuned evo would take so much money. In fact it would be almost impossible with any budget to make a tC as quick as a nicely built evo.

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[BioRage]

I always saw the TC as a girly car.

[Tanuki]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

You don't have to play dumb.

The point I am making, is that there really aren't that many Scion TC's being driven by privateers that are winning. You are trying to make me sound crazy for saying it is not a car you see every day at a race track. There are probably a handful of these that are completely track prepped and driven by non toyota/scion affiliated privateers.

I am not saying it can't be done, but there are not that many TC's on track.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Tanuki

The point I am making, is that there really aren't that many Scion TC's being driven by privateers that are winning. You are trying to make me sound crazy for saying it is not a car you see every day at a race track. There are probably a handful of these that are completely track prepped and driven by non toyota/scion affiliated privateers.

I am not saying it can't be done, but there are not that many TC's on track.

Winning what? I didn't say you sound crazy, just saying you didn't do any research. If you want to know how it performs on a race track, then it would only be rational to actually go out and seek the information rather than just waiting for one to just "show up" at your local track day. Your local spots aren't the only ones people visit.

Secondly, just because you don't see that many, has no bearing on the capability of the car itself. It's just the demographic is largely about the lifestyle than the performance, so you will see more of the lifestyle than you will see that many at the track. Where I'm from, I've seen them hit the tracks and do really well. And then of course there are vids on Youtube of guys chasing down cars that you would think they wouldn't be able too...because it's a Scion tC as people would say (whatever that is suppose to mean).

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by vtmike

With a little work you could find a nice srt-4 acr at a decent price. With a decent tune it could be making 280 whp. There is no way you could build as competent and quick of a car for road courses out of a tC for as cheap.

Same scenario with a nice used evo 7, 8, or 9. To make a tC as quick as a bolt on tuned evo would take so much money. In fact it would be almost impossible with any budget to make a tC as quick as a nicely built evo.

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No it wouldn't. 8lbs of boost on a tC would walk an Evo, STI, SRT-4, S2k, 350z..etc. There is a vid of a tC at 8-9psi walking past an Evo 9 MR. Same tC blowing the doors off a stock STI. Then that STI went home, bought a tune and added a bolt-on or two and then ran the same tC (unchanged on boost setting 8-9psi) and the STI beat the tC like 4 out of 6 races. The other two, the tC tied with it.

At 8psi a tC makes between 280-300whp/300wtq depending on the dyno.

And don't start talking about getting used cars to beat the price point...of building a NEW tC. The 2005 tC isn't new any more either and a used SRT-4 ACR is probably still more expensive than a used tC and tossing a bolt-on turbo setup.

Now I'm not stating it's a better car than an Evo, STI, S2k...or whatever. Just saying it's not as slow as you think it is.

[vtmike]

Originally Posted by SnapOv3st3r

No it wouldn't. 8lbs of boost on a tC would walk an Evo, STI, SRT-4, S2k, 350z..etc. There is a vid of a tC at 8-9psi walking past an Evo 9 MR. Same tC blowing the doors off a stock STI. Then that STI went home, bought a tune and added a bolt-on or two and then ran the same tC (unchanged on boost setting 8-9psi) and the STI beat the tC like 4 out of 6 races. The other two, the tC tied with it.

At 8psi a tC makes between 280-300whp/300wtq depending on the dyno.

And don't start talking about getting used cars to beat the price point...of building a NEW tC. The 2005 tC isn't new any more either and a used SRT-4 ACR is probably still more expensive than a used tC and tossing a bolt-on turbo setup.

Now I'm not stating it's a better car than an Evo, STI, S2k...or whatever. Just saying it's not as slow as you think it is.

First, I'm not talking about drag racing. I suspect you aren't either. Going from a roll is not racing at all.

Second, an evo 9 with a tune and bolt ons is in the 330 whp ballpark while e85 tuned ones are over 400 whp. This would absolutely destroy a 300 whp tC in a drag race.

Third, put that tC on a road course and the evo would beat it even worse. It can actually put its power down, has a much better chassis, brakes, steering, balance, and can accommodate much wider tires.

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[JERZgrl88]

Ummm so I am a *female* tC owner and I love it when I see an FR-S. I know my car has no comparison...so I wouldn't even try to be obnoxious about it on the road. But yes, I feel that tC's AREN'T a guy's car...I just don't see them as masculine vehicle.

For instance, my little brother will be getting his license in a few months...I would love to give him my Scion as his first car, since I owned it for a few years already. However, when I really think about it - I rather NOT put him in such a girly vehicle. He doesn't seem to mind but at the end of the day, I think I will give it to my sister since she is next in line for a car. I rather see him in a small truck or something. Am I crazy? Or doing him a favor...lol