FR-S vs. 370z, end all be all of discussions

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Scrub radius only changes if he changes his wheel offset. Bump steer only changes if he changes his suspension components or running a suspension ride height wildly deviant from stock.

wheel offset can change scrub radius and im pretty a positive scrub radius sure increases bump steer. i brought it up because i dont know how much room there is under the fenders of a scion

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Naw, I won't. The wheels came off of a tC remember. You are forgetting about BackSpacing. The Backspacing is what you have to worry about when it comes to measurement the opposite direction (into the suspension). The backspacing being to deep will cause the suspension components to get in the way. But like I said, the wheels are coming off another tC so all that's been sorted out. It's about the backspacing on that side of the wheel, not the offset.


These wheels are 18x9.5




These are 18x8.5




Another 18x9.5

how is backspacing not an issue of wheel width and offset?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by fatoni

how is backspacing not an issue of wheel width and offset?

Look up backspacing.

[fatoni]

it looks like back spacing is an issue of wheel width and offset

[Ryephile]

Originally Posted by fatoni

...and im pretty a positive scrub radius sure increases bump steer.

UHGHK, False! You're confusing kickback with bump steer. Even Wikipedia has good info on this.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

UHGHK, False! You're confusing kickback with bump steer. Even Wikipedia has good info on this.

probably. whats the difference?

[ryun84]

^ LOL! Dragonitti's doppelganger is PedoBear!

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by fatoni

it looks like back spacing is an issue of wheel width and offset

It's not an issue of anything. Backspacing is the measurement of the hub to the mounting point of the wheel. tC's backspacing is like 5 inches on the stock wheels. Keeping that back spacing maybe room for a little more, the rest of the wheel goes the opposite direction pushing out past the body....thus needing a widebody.

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

I'm still surprised a stock internals Tc can handle 300hp boost. That's really impressive.

More than that. My boy is running 13lbs on a PTuning SS kit putting down 353whp/350wtq on a Mustang Dyno.

Then there's stuff like this:

PS...change the sig to white and black bear. Much cooler..

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

It's not an issue of anything. Backspacing is the measurement of the hub to the mounting point of the wheel. tC's backspacing is like 5 inches on the stock wheels. Keeping that back spacing maybe room for a little more, the rest of the wheel goes the opposite direction pushing out past the body....thus needing a widebody.





More than that. My boy is running 13lbs on a PTuning SS kit putting down 353whp/350wtq on a Mustang Dyno.

Then there's stuff like this:

PS...change the sig to white and black bear. Much cooler..

my point was you say the offset doesnt have to be crazy but if you are adding 3" more rim width and its not going interior to the hub...

[Maxim]

I'd just like to point out, if it hasn't been pointed out already, a major error that has been made in this thread.

I've been reading page by page and you guys are WAY off in your specs on the Mustang.

The Mustang GT500 weighs about 3850 with the new aluminum engine introduced in 2011.

The Mustang GT weighs about 3550-3600 with the 400+hp 5.0 Coyote engine and can be had for 28k out the door if you dont order any options. Optioned with the sport package which includes brembos, shorter gearing, and a different suspension tune brings the price to 33k and it will hang with an M3.

The Mustang V6 weighs in at 3450-3500 and outperforms the 3.8 Gen Coupe in essentially every performance category, including handling (the gen coupe feels a bit better but the stang has higher limits). All you need is a reflash to get rid of the 118mph speed limiter and it's pretty much amazing.



The Mustang family of cars really are the vehicles to beat in terms of affordable performance. They're nowhere near as heavy as the other ponycars and fully capable of taking down vehicles that cost WAY more. The 2011 GT rivals an M3 on the track and has more aftermarket support than any car I know of. The V6 is outperforming the 3.8 Gen Coupe for 5000 dollars less, and the new BOSS is as fast around a track as an Audi R8. (it annihilates the M3).

The mustang is going to provide the largest amount of competition for the FR-S (well, besides the Subaru version...lol), because it is the overall best FR performance car on the market currently, especially when factoring in price. Complain all you want about the live rear axle but read a few reviews or drive one and it's clear that it's not an issue at all; the live axle performs beautifully, along with the rest of the car. Even the interior is well done. 30+mpg highway with the V6....

Anyways, once I'm back from my deployment it's going to be either a nicely optioned Mustang GT for me, or an FR-S (which I will then heavily modify with the leftover money). The FR-S is probably going to be about 2750lbs and have 200hp. If there's a turbo option I'll get that....if there's not, I very well might take it off my list, as I'd rather spend 33k and get 420hp and great handling than spend 25k and get great handling and 200hp.

If they offered this thing with the WRX engine (preferably a year+ from now when the new 2.0L WRX engine is offered) and 265hp I'd be all over it in a heartbeat, because that's a tune away from 300+ and reliable in a ~2800lb car.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by fatoni

my point was you say the offset doesnt have to be crazy but if you are adding 3" more rim width and its not going interior to the hub...

Right, you don't have to expand in the opposite direction.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by Maxim;40158.

Anyways, once I'm back from my deployment it's going to be either a nicely optioned Mustang GT for me, or an FR-S (which I will then heavily modify with the leftover money). The FR-S is probably going to be about 2750lbs and have 200hp. If there's a turbo option I'll get that....if there's not, I very well might take it off my list, as I'd rather spend 33k and get 420hp and great handling than spend 25k and get great handling and 200hp.

Great handling in terms of a Mustang, even the new one, will be nothing in terms of the handling capabilities this car is aimed to achieve. Not sure if too many people would agree with you on that one.

[midenginebias]

Originally Posted by chulooz

Great handling in terms of a Mustang, even the new one, will be nothing in terms of the handling capabilities this car is aimed to achieve. Not sure if too many people would agree with you on that one.

Maybe in terms of subtle handling dynamics, but in terms of the general population wanting a car, they'll go for the Mustang. Give up 0.04g over 100hp at the same price point?

That doesn't make sense to most.

[Dragonitti]

They could make the Stang handle like a Ferrari and I still would only drive one if there were no other options. I just came back from round 2 of Formula D and there was a sick Stang on display. As sick as I thought it was, don't think I still could drive own one.