Anyone Else Considering an Automatic FR-S?

[Zaku]

well to be honest you Manual loving guys are kinda hostile, I mean the thread ask specifically for people who want automatic. Suddenly everyone flocks in telling them auto is bad and that they only want manual. By this Logic he has every right to be angry. I don't see how people who say they want an auto have to defend their choice it's there preference. They don't go thread Jack a Manual thread and go on and on about automatics.

Look we get it Manual is best for this car. But some of us are waiting on the test drive to decide. Like Dalli I understand the point he is making, Paddles aren't automatic, there's sequential now. Meaning you have to operate it, Thus in that sense it's a Manual. Now the argument of the 3rd pedal is right now, your absolutely right. But the point of the matter is people get these auto because they don't want the clutch pedal.

I don't think it's right to fock in and harass people, about their choice that's not fair. Honestly this thread is about people considering auto, not why I like Manual, why is this car best with manual, why is manual so great. No no it's not, lol if you want that go make a manual thread.

And half the people making arguments here, are putting it like if they drove a Ferrari 458 it's not fun because it's auto. If they drove a LFA it sucks because it's Auto, GTR are crap because it's Auto. but fact of the matter is guess what they're faster, people who own them have fun because you can go fast.

If you live in the city like California and near mountains then go ahead get an manual you have that weekend to hit the canyon. For us East people we have to head to the track. NYC is always in traffic, 1se gear 2nd gear stop go 1st gear 2nd gear stop go. MPG goes down the drain, traffic light to traffic light is short. Our week end when we head to auto cross or track it's sport mode, and then paddle away.

I live in DC, my last 4 cars were fun when I'm at a track but when I'm in the city in traffic it's hell. When I take a trip with my gf or when I commute to work, if I'm stuck in traffic I want to be able to grab a quick bite to eat. Or even hold my girl's hand with out having to shift every so often.

There is nothing in no rule book that says you have to drive manual to be an enthusiast. We're all part of the same community, It's quiet petty of the people who came in here, instead to have a discussion of this car we love. We're all selfish talking about how awesome it feels for that person. Get outta here, it's not all about you. Be a little more respectful to your peers.

Blah blah blah blah blah hand eye foot coordination well good for you. You can do that, manual this and that great cool great, if your not considering an automatic or have information about the automatic, then don't come in here and post about how great you are with a manual.

Respectfully he has every right to be angry

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Zaku

well to be honest you Manual loving guys are kinda hostile, I mean the thread ask specifically for people who want automatic. Suddenly everyone flocks in telling them auto is bad and that they only want manual. By this Logic he has every right to be angry. I don't see how people who say they want an auto have to defend their choice it's there preference. They don't go thread Jack a Manual thread and go on and on about automatics.

Look we get it Manual is best for this car. But some of us are waiting on the test drive to decide. Like Dalli I understand the point he is making, Paddles aren't automatic, there's sequential now. Meaning you have to operate it, Thus in that sense it's a Manual. Now the argument of the 3rd pedal is right now, your absolutely right. But the point of the matter is people get these auto because they don't want the clutch pedal.

I don't think it's right to fock in and harass people, about their choice that's not fair. Honestly this thread is about people considering auto, not why I like Manual, why is this car best with manual, why is manual so great. No no it's not, lol if you want that go make a manual thread.

And half the people making arguments here, are putting it like if they drove a Ferrari 458 it's not fun because it's auto. If they drove a LFA it sucks because it's Auto, GTR are crap because it's Auto. but fact of the matter is guess what they're faster, people who own them have fun because you can go fast.

If you live in the city like California and near mountains then go ahead get an manual you have that weekend to hit the canyon. For us East people we have to head to the track. NYC is always in traffic, 1se gear 2nd gear stop go 1st gear 2nd gear stop go. MPG goes down the drain, traffic light to traffic light is short. Our week end when we head to auto cross or track it's sport mode, and then paddle away.

I live in DC, my last 4 cars were fun when I'm at a track but when I'm in the city in traffic it's hell. When I take a trip with my gf or when I commute to work, if I'm stuck in traffic I want to be able to grab a quick bite to eat. Or even hold my girl's hand with out having to shift every so often.

There is nothing in no rule book that says you have to drive manual to be an enthusiast. We're all part of the same community, It's quiet petty of the people who came in here, instead to have a discussion of this car we love. We're all selfish talking about how awesome it feels for that person. Get outta here, it's not all about you. Be a little more respectful to your peers.

Blah blah blah blah blah hand eye foot coordination well good for you. You can do that, manual this and that great cool great, if your not considering an automatic or have information about the automatic, then don't come in here and post about how great you are with a manual.

Respectfully he has every right to be angry

Whoa there Zaku, remember you did post this in a very enthusiast filled forum. It's like making a thread about "how much I/you love Scion." It's a very controversial subject and many people feel strongly about it. There was some people here who said they would like an automatic FT-86 and there was some "I love manual" stuff. Worst case this thread was kept active for everybody to see and participate.

I don't understand your situation since I haven't been in your position but there's no need to get all worked up because some "people" ruined your thread. If you want to stay here you're going to need a thick skin to deal with all the trash that gets thrown around everyday included thread clutter and offtopic nonsense. We're here for a cool new car and there's no reason to get all pissy because there was some counter discussion going on. Some of us "manual lovers" did post some guesses as to which auto there will be to get an idea of what to expect.

And so I thank you sir for contributing and have a good day .

[Zaku]

In a funny round about way I guess, we're all practicing to join in on the Scion Douche baggery :P because some of us are future Scion owners.

I'm just joking you guys are alright.

Ah no worry, I just posted that because that's pretty much how I've felt about the subject this entire time.

still more info on the automatic would be nice, what kind of auto is in a TC?

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Zaku

In a funny round about way I guess, we're all practicing to join in on the Scion Douche baggery :P because some of us are future Scion owners.

I'm just joking you guys are alright.

Ah no worry, I just posted that because that's pretty much how I've felt about the subject this entire time.

still more info on the automatic would be nice, what kind of auto is in a TC?

Yeah, haha, I guess so.

Anyway the first time I meet a Scion tard I'm gonna point and say, "haha Scion guy." And if he says anything like, "your car is a Scion too" or "your car is actually a Subaru." I'll be like, "your right but it's a Subaru (too) and yours ain't, ha!"

I'll stop cluttering this thread now...

[Exage]

I had best intentions of clearing what is auto, what is manual, with my views. I didn't mean to get you heated about it.

I don't think Toyota and Scion would/will sell nearly as many FR-S/FT-86 without an automatic transmission option so it's a good thing you brought it up. I hope they do give it a 6 or 7 speed flappy paddle if that's the case.

[OldSkoolToys]

I owned an Automatic Sports car once....

Never again.

Auto's belong in the grocery getter.

[SUB-FT86]

I personally cant stand manuals. Manual is only fun in a place where there is no speed limit like a track. I hate revving to 3k rpms and shifting. Manual is more fun when you are doing high revs and on public roads you have to stay beneath a certain rpm in order to stay out of trouble. Give me a sporty automatic with a down rev match feature and I am golden.

[aliphian]

Originally Posted by Zaku

And half the people making arguments here, are putting it like if they drove a Ferrari 458 it's not fun because it's auto. If they drove a LFA it sucks because it's Auto, GTR are crap because it's Auto.

If the FT86 was going to be offered with a transmission from one of those cars I would be all over it. You're standard auto tranny takes about 2 weeks to change gears. The above mentioned cars use dual clutch transmissions that can shift faster than any mortal being.

I love having an auto in my souless grocery getter because it's easy, but that car is incapable of being fun regardless of the transmission.

I remember when the Genesis Coupe came out, I was very active on one of the forums. Every guy there that bought an auto ended up regretting it.

[Fly Guy]

Doesn't the auto in the IS F shift really fast?

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by Zaku

well to be honest you Manual loving guys are kinda hostile, I mean the thread ask specifically for people who want automatic. Suddenly everyone flocks in telling them auto is bad and that they only want manual. By this Logic he has every right to be angry. I don't see how people who say they want an auto have to defend their choice it's there preference. They don't go thread Jack a Manual thread and go on and on about automatics.

Look we get it Manual is best for this car. But some of us are waiting on the test drive to decide. Like Dalli I understand the point he is making, Paddles aren't automatic, there's sequential now. Meaning you have to operate it, Thus in that sense it's a Manual. Now the argument of the 3rd pedal is right now, your absolutely right. But the point of the matter is people get these auto because they don't want the clutch pedal.

I don't think it's right to fock in and harass people, about their choice that's not fair. Honestly this thread is about people considering auto, not why I like Manual, why is this car best with manual, why is manual so great. No no it's not, lol if you want that go make a manual thread.

And half the people making arguments here, are putting it like if they drove a Ferrari 458 it's not fun because it's auto. If they drove a LFA it sucks because it's Auto, GTR are crap because it's Auto. but fact of the matter is guess what they're faster, people who own them have fun because you can go fast.

If you live in the city like California and near mountains then go ahead get an manual you have that weekend to hit the canyon. For us East people we have to head to the track. NYC is always in traffic, 1se gear 2nd gear stop go 1st gear 2nd gear stop go. MPG goes down the drain, traffic light to traffic light is short. Our week end when we head to auto cross or track it's sport mode, and then paddle away.

I live in DC, my last 4 cars were fun when I'm at a track but when I'm in the city in traffic it's hell. When I take a trip with my gf or when I commute to work, if I'm stuck in traffic I want to be able to grab a quick bite to eat. Or even hold my girl's hand with out having to shift every so often.

There is nothing in no rule book that says you have to drive manual to be an enthusiast. We're all part of the same community, It's quiet petty of the people who came in here, instead to have a discussion of this car we love. We're all selfish talking about how awesome it feels for that person. Get outta here, it's not all about you. Be a little more respectful to your peers.

Blah blah blah blah blah hand eye foot coordination well good for you. You can do that, manual this and that great cool great, if your not considering an automatic or have information about the automatic, then don't come in here and post about how great you are with a manual.

Respectfully he has every right to be angry

I both agree and disagree on some aspects.

First off, I thought I was being fairly respectful to my auto driving brethren. However, the biggest problem is in a poor choice of words. From what I saw, the OP never replied angry. What most people were saying was that they liked manual in their opinion.

I agree though if you are going to storm a thread with a different view you should be making it clear it is your opinion. The issue arrived when the opinionated ones came in saying the other's opinion was wrong. Those also happen to be the ones who are getting angry.

If someone likes driving an automatic, cool. But when they say manuals are stupid and pointless, then I think everyone who likes driving a manual has a God given right to come into this thread and defend themselves. Now if they say "manuals are inconvenient for me" then I think it's fair we respect their decisions.

The same applies when one starts throwing facts around. If they state automatics give the same experience as a manual, that is clearly debatable. Obviously that exact same experience is precisely why others choose automatics. It can be inconvenient.

[huyttz]

manual loving guys are hostile and think they are better for knowing how to drive a manual... fact is, in this day and age, it is old technology and you can go faster/ get better mileage with automated manuals. manuals still offer better control because there is no way to control clutch modulation with these fancy automated manual boxes.

yes, the IS-F is pretty quick shifting. it is a traditional automatic with torque converter. like i said, they can be very good, it just takes money. they aren't ideal for performance applications, aside from drag racing/ straightline racing, but it can do the job.

ferrari 458 and GTR are dual clutch, LFA is single clutch. dual clutch is in essence superior, but it takes up more space vs. a single (if you need strength) and weighs more as a result. a single clutch unit can simply be a manual with electronics hooked up to it.

i have owned manual, dual clutch, crappy automatic, built automatic, and have driven single clutch... i am also ASE Certified in Automatic and Manual transmissions, so i know a thing or two about these. none do everything well, nor is there a real substitute for a manual. if you want the feel of driving a manual, then you need a manual. if you need an automatic, then nothing else will do... but at least there are better options on the market if you want performance and more control.

that said, for this car, it seems you will be likely getting an automatic with torque converter... with paddle shifters... but we will have to wait and see how good it is exactly. my bet is it will be similar to the automatics in the Mazda's, as those are made by Aisin.

[xantonin]

Originally Posted by huyttz

manual loving guys are hostile and think they are better for knowing how to drive a manual... fact is, in this day and age, it is old technology and you can go faster/ get better mileage with automated manuals. manuals still offer better control because there is no way to control clutch modulation with these fancy automated manual boxes.

yes, the IS-F is pretty quick shifting. it is a traditional automatic with torque converter. like i said, they can be very good, it just takes money. they aren't ideal for performance applications, aside from drag racing/ straightline racing, but it can do the job.

ferrari 458 and GTR are dual clutch, LFA is single clutch. dual clutch is in essence superior, but it takes up more space vs. a single (if you need strength) and weighs more as a result. a single clutch unit can simply be a manual with electronics hooked up to it.

i have owned manual, dual clutch, crappy automatic, built automatic, and have driven single clutch... i am also ASE Certified in Automatic and Manual transmissions, so i know a thing or two about these. none do everything well, nor is there a real substitute for a manual. if you want the feel of driving a manual, then you need a manual. if you need an automatic, then nothing else will do... but at least there are better options on the market if you want performance and more control.

that said, for this car, it seems you will be likely getting an automatic with torque converter... with paddle shifters... but we will have to wait and see how good it is exactly. my bet is it will be similar to the automatics in the Mazda's, as those are made by Aisin.

Good post.

But why does everyone keep saying this car will come with an auto-only?

I never saw that anywhere or heard it in the press. They just said the auto version would come with paddle shifters, but that doesn't mean there won't be a manual version.

That said - I will not buy this car if there is not a manual version. Final.

Call me old school, or whatever you want, but I have no intention of owning a car without a manually operated clutch. I've nothing against anyone that drives an automatic, just my personal preference.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Good post.

But why does everyone keep saying this car will come with an auto-only?

I never saw that anywhere or heard it in the press. They just said the auto version would come with paddle shifters, but that doesn't mean there won't be a manual version.

That said - I will not buy this car if there is not a manual version. Final.

Call me old school, or whatever you want, but I have no intention of owning a car without a manually operated clutch. I've nothing against anyone that drives an automatic, just my personal preference.

The Scion VP said it would come in both transmissions.

[aliphian]

Originally Posted by xantonin

Good post.

But why does everyone keep saying this car will come with an auto-only?

I never saw that anywhere or heard it in the press. They just said the auto version would come with paddle shifters, but that doesn't mean there won't be a manual version.

That said - I will not buy this car if there is not a manual version. Final.

Call me old school, or whatever you want, but I have no intention of owning a car without a manually operated clutch. I've nothing against anyone that drives an automatic, just my personal preference.

In the press conference he mentioned a 6MT AND an auto with paddles.