Breaking news 300 HP hybrid 86/BRZ

[wbradley]

It's going to have a hybrid GR Corolla motor! Expect a big price jump!

Https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterly...harged-hybrid/

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Looked for the attribution to Best Car magazine (the "source" of most of these wild rumors) to lend it "credibility", wasn't disappointed. Despite being under a forbes.com domain, this is basically a blog post by a random Internet stranger.

[tarzan_nojane]

A rather short cycle for the current platform. The Subaru boxer lends itself nicely to a low hood and compact wheelbase configuration. Weight of batteries for hybrid would be contrary to the light weight and balance that defines the Toyobaru twins.

[wbradley]

The hybrid aspect could be anything from mild, which adds an extra 48V small battery and maybe a bigger starter motor, so negligible weight gain.

Or a regular gas hybrid adds the weight of one or more accessory electric motors and some battery capacity greater than mild, plus inverter and additional plumbing, but an integrated electric drive can still be "relatively" light, depending on power.

Or, a plug-in hybrid which usually adds electric propulsion of greater power to drive the vehicle fully electric, as well as battery capacity sufficient for up to an average daily commute distance while fully electric.

I'd go with option 1 mild hybrid, since it adds minimal weight and will therefore retain the characteristic dynamics of the vehicle and will get an already amazing engine with a high power to weight ratio to operate in the most fuel efficient way possible for an average daily commuter.

I'd like to see it happen but as always it depends on the size of the D...Demand!

In some ways, it could be a better example of a Japanese 2 seater sports car than the current V6 Supra. People were complaining it was mostly BMW, so let's make a GR Corolla hybrid powered 86 that ticks ALL the boxes.

Probably similar sentiments are shared by tech staff that work on mundane projects daily.

Voila!

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by wbradley

The hybrid aspect could be anything from mild, which adds an extra 48V small battery and maybe a bigger starter motor, so negligible weight gain.

Or a regular gas hybrid adds the weight of one or more accessory electric motors and some battery capacity greater than mild, plus inverter and additional plumbing, but an integrated electric drive can still be "relatively" light, depending on power.

Or, a plug-in hybrid which usually adds electric propulsion of greater power to drive the vehicle fully electric, as well as battery capacity sufficient for up to an average daily commute distance while fully electric.

I'd go with option 1 mild hybrid, since it adds minimal weight and will therefore retain the characteristic dynamics of the vehicle and will get an already amazing engine with a high power to weight ratio to operate in the most fuel efficient way possible for an average daily commuter.

I'd like to see it happen but as always it depends on the size of the D...Demand!

In some ways, it could be a better example of a Japanese 2 seater sports car than the current V6 Supra. People were complaining it was mostly BMW, so let's make a GR Corolla hybrid powered 86 that ticks ALL the boxes.

Probably similar sentiments are shared by tech staff that work on mundane projects daily.

Voila!

If you believe the article, it says that it would use the THS 2 hybrid system. So it would be adding a battery, small hybrid motor, and a generator plus all the controls. I am guessing at least a couple hundred pounds.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

If you believe the article, it says that it would use the THS 2 hybrid system. So it would be adding a battery, small hybrid motor, and a generator plus all the controls. I am guessing at least a couple hundred pounds.

Well, there are ways of losing up to 200 unwanted pounds. Except they can be expensive and involve lawyers!

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Well, there are ways of losing up to 200 unwanted pounds. Except they can be expensive and involve lawyers!

I can count the number of instances a later generation of a car got lighter than the previous gen on one hand. Plus we would probably loose manual since there are very very few manual hybrids. I also doubt we would see the continuation of this car with a non Subaru engine.

[wbradley]

It would be in a different price league for sure.

[NOHOME]

The secret sauce for the twins is that they are affordable to buy, and operate, also lightweight with a chassis that feels lively the minute it starts moving.

Adding power will pretty much crash the bus: It will be expensive to buy, expensive to maintain, expensive to insure. Unless Toyota goes to heroic efforts, the extra power is going to require extra weight to keep you safe. The 3 cyl engine is a bit weird. Bet spares will be fun to find for future collectors.

In the end, how is Toyota not just looking to build a 3 cylinder Mustang with this rumored vehicle?

[Nickel]

It's going to rev like garbage (7k rpms) and be as much as Launch Supras were ($50K+). Mint condition 1st gen 86's will go up in value eventually because it's the lowest center of gravity of any Toyota (except LFA) and an 8k rpm NA engine. Eventually 1st gens will have the MF Ghost tax added on, so I hope anyway.

[HKz]

So the "turbo 86 coming" lives on

100% sure not happening...Subaru is not going to ship 86 chassis for them to put their own engine and toyota aint forking over the money for tooling to produce a lightweight rwd chassis neither will they ever develop the g16e to be longitudinal for production cars..