Possible Rod Knocking From J02 Recall?

[Invisionthis]

Was getting off the freeway, and went to turn and realized my car shut off (All lights on), and wouldn’t turn back on (Lights disappeared) , but got it to start again after a couple of minutes, and died again, and happened 3 or 4 times and it was sputtering / shaking as if it was out of gas but my gage was a little above a quarter and pulled into a gas station 50 ft in front of me filled up and turned the car on, and above 2000 RPM's starts making a horrible noise. I had the recall done on it last month, while my car was there my vacuum pump went out and the technician only realized after putting the engine back in, and ended up taking the whole engine apart again and put back together and realized it was the vacuum pump, tried to send me on my way but ended up talking to a manager who ate the cost and off I went 3 or 4 days later due to getting the part, no issues since then until now. Was a little angry to begin with but left with a smile! Thew the video of the sound up on a facebook group for local guys with the 86's and got a link here and come to find out everyone here has a simliar noise noise. Called the dealership the next day (Today) waiting for a call back. While I was writing this I decided to call them again and go with a random service rep rather then the one who helped me before, and they said to bring in the car asap and they'll take a look at it, but they don't have tow trucks.... So gotta figure out a way to get it there. 30 miles away

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTAgwGLTZxU[/ame]

2013 Scion FR-S 106,000 miles

[ybotspawn]

Sounds like rod knock to me

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[ermax]

Agree

[DarkPira7e]

Please post here - http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133095

[Invisionthis]

(Posted in here for history purposes)

Vehicle Mileage: 10600
Vehicle Make: 2013 Scion FR-S
Mileage After Recall Performed: 400ish?
Symptom(s): Was getting off the freeway, and went to turn and realized my car shut off (All lights on), and wouldn’t turn back on (Lights disappeared) , but got it to start again after a couple of minutes, and died again, and happened 3 or 4 times and it was sputtering / shaking as if it was out of gas but my gage was a little above a quarter and pulled into a gas station 50 ft in front of me filled up and turned the car on, and above 2000 RPM's starts making a horrible noise. I had a recall done on it last month and thew the video of the sound up on a facebook group for local guys with the 86's and got a link here and come to find out everyone here has the same noise. Called the dealership the next day (Today) waiting for a call back. While I was writing this I decided to call them again and go with a random service rep rather then the one who helped me before, and they said to bring in the car asap and they'll take a look at it, but they don't have tow trucks.... So gotta figure out a way to get it there. (EDIT) Got the FR-S down there via trailer, and as we took it off the trailer, ripped my bumper off. This all happened at 8-9PM at night as I had to work, anyways, went and gave the dealer the key yesterday got a call in the afternoon saying that they're having a Toyota Rep come up and look at it tomorrow (Today) and we'll go from there because the short block has gone bad and a rod was thrown. Got a call from them this morning saying that if its either the dealers fault or toyotas fault that they'll fix it but if not then I'm SOL, even though they had to take apart the engine twice when I had the recall done because the tech couldn't find out where a noise was coming from, which ended up being a vacuum pump.
Failure: Yes
State: Waiting on dealership / rep
Is Dealership Offering Repair: Possibly (EDIT) Dealership just called and said they won't be able to cover it as their GM said they did everything correct, calling corporate right now and putting a case together.

Update #1
Wouldn't let me update my post for some reason, but if It does later I'll move this into my original post.
Called the corporate office and filed a report for 45 minutes, and was told I would get a phone call in the morning, which didn’t happen, so I called later in the day (yesterday) and so I explained situation to a new rep and, straight off the bat she told me that they won't do anything because it's a rebuilt title, and that's basically it, I told her that wasn't a good enough answer for me and I explained the whole situation to her (45 minutes) The whole time she didn’t even listen or care or anything along those lines so she said she'd call the customer relations from the dealer and go from there and so I decided I would call him too, because I already have all the information he’s looking for so I called him and told him about the articles and forum posts and emailed them to them the toyota lady called and told me that toyota won't be covering it and that's the end of it, to which I told her Ill be taking legal action and reporting it to the nthsa and doing all my reviews and calling my lawyer. Which she said that that’s the final answer from Toyota.
After that I decided to call the customer relations guy again, just to hear what he told her, and he told me about how the subaru engines go bad after 100,000 miles and I explained to him that if my engine was going to go bad they would’ve known when they took it apart less then a month ago, not once, but twice. And he sort of agreed with me at that point, and I told him that honestly I don’t know what else to do at this point because I feel like my only options left is to file a report with the NTHSA and go the lawyer route whether it turns into a class action lawsuit or not, He asked me to give him until tomorrow afternoon to meet with his master tech and another person, because even though he would love to have "Tony" pay for it he has to be able to prove why, and to wait until I hear from him tomorrow to move forward. So will figure out today if I’m going the legal route!

Update #2 So went and dropped off another article and asked to see the engine and it wasn’t even taken apart... asked the rep if they had even taken it apart and she told me she wasn’t sure..

(Still won't let me edit my posts)

https://imgur.com/a/gW62hVz

Update #3, Just got a callback from the Customer relations individual handling the case, they told me it's not their fault because of three different things, 1st of all the engine has over 100,000 miles and given the nature of sports cars most likely driven rough (Wasn't since I've owned it) 2nd, because it is a rebuilt title, reason for the rebuilt title is it got into a fender bender... have the documents to prove it as well, and if that's the case they shouldn't have done the recall in the first place, and 3rd they already had the toyota GM come out and look specifically for the "TB1217H" that ermax said in the other forum post, which doesn't make sense because the engine is put together (Check imgur link) and nobody said anything about the GM looking for that sealant until I said something. So they won't be covering it, I need a whole shortblock. Looks like we're going the legal route.

[msaikhan]

Originally Posted by Invisionthis

(Posted in here for history purposes)

Vehicle Mileage: 10600
Vehicle Make: 2013 Scion FR-S
Mileage After Recall Performed: 400ish?
Symptom(s): Was getting off the freeway, and went to turn and realized my car shut off (All lights on), and wouldn’t turn back on (Lights disappeared) , but got it to start again after a couple of minutes, and died again, and happened 3 or 4 times and it was sputtering / shaking as if it was out of gas but my gage was a little above a quarter and pulled into a gas station 50 ft in front of me filled up and turned the car on, and above 2000 RPM's starts making a horrible noise. I had a recall done on it last month and thew the video of the sound up on a facebook group for local guys with the 86's and got a link here and come to find out everyone here has the same noise. Called the dealership the next day (Today) waiting for a call back. While I was writing this I decided to call them again and go with a random service rep rather then the one who helped me before, and they said to bring in the car asap and they'll take a look at it, but they don't have tow trucks.... So gotta figure out a way to get it there. (EDIT) Got the FR-S down there via trailer, and as we took it off the trailer, ripped my bumper off. This all happened at 8-9PM at night as I had to work, anyways, went and gave the dealer the key yesterday got a call in the afternoon saying that they're having a Toyota Rep come up and look at it tomorrow (Today) and we'll go from there because the short block has gone bad and a rod was thrown. Got a call from them this morning saying that if its either the dealers fault or toyotas fault that they'll fix it but if not then I'm SOL, even though they had to take apart the engine twice when I had the recall done because the tech couldn't find out where a noise was coming from, which ended up being a vacuum pump.
Failure: Yes
State: Waiting on dealership / rep
Is Dealership Offering Repair: Possibly (EDIT) Dealership just called and said they won't be able to cover it as their GM said they did everything correct, calling corporate right now and putting a case together.

Update #1
Wouldn't let me update my post for some reason, but if It does later I'll move this into my original post.
Called the corporate office and filed a report for 45 minutes, and was told I would get a phone call in the morning, which didn’t happen, so I called later in the day (yesterday) and so I explained situation to a new rep and, straight off the bat she told me that they won't do anything because it's a rebuilt title, and that's basically it, I told her that wasn't a good enough answer for me and I explained the whole situation to her (45 minutes) The whole time she didn’t even listen or care or anything along those lines so she said she'd call the customer relations from the dealer and go from there and so I decided I would call him too, because I already have all the information he’s looking for so I called him and told him about the articles and forum posts and emailed them to them the toyota lady called and told me that toyota won't be covering it and that's the end of it, to which I told her Ill be taking legal action and reporting it to the nthsa and doing all my reviews and calling my lawyer. Which she said that that’s the final answer from Toyota.
After that I decided to call the customer relations guy again, just to hear what he told her, and he told me about how the subaru engines go bad after 100,000 miles and I explained to him that if my engine was going to go bad they would’ve known when they took it apart less then a month ago, not once, but twice. And he sort of agreed with me at that point, and I told him that honestly I don’t know what else to do at this point because I feel like my only options left is to file a report with the NTHSA and go the lawyer route whether it turns into a class action lawsuit or not, He asked me to give him until tomorrow afternoon to meet with his master tech and another person, because even though he would love to have "Tony" pay for it he has to be able to prove why, and to wait until I hear from him tomorrow to move forward. So will figure out today if I’m going the legal route!

Update #2 So went and dropped off another article and asked to see the engine and it wasn’t even taken apart... asked the rep if they had even taken it apart and she told me she wasn’t sure..

(Still won't let me edit my posts)

https://imgur.com/a/gW62hVz

Update #3, Just got a callback from the Customer relations individual handling the case, they told me it's not their fault because of three different things, 1st of all the engine has over 100,000 miles and given the nature of sports cars most likely driven rough (Wasn't since I've owned it) 2nd, because it is a rebuilt title, reason for the rebuilt title is it got into a fender bender... have the documents to prove it as well, and if that's the case they shouldn't have done the recall in the first place, and 3rd they already had the toyota GM come out and look specifically for the "TB1217H" that ermax said in the other forum post, which doesn't make sense because the engine is put together (Check imgur link) and nobody said anything about the GM looking for that sealant until I said something. So they won't be covering it, I need a whole shortblock. Looks like we're going the legal route.

Where the OIL PICK UP SCREEN AT?? and the sealant doesn't look gray to me. It's supposed to be gray. And also where the oil pan sits, look suspiciously clean to me, like they cleaned up the sealant.

[Decep]

Since when are manufacturers allowed to just say "sorry HURRDURR you have a rebuilt title" when they screw something up. You'd have be batshit to volunteer your car for this recall. unless you're forced to do so like in CA.

[maslin]

Originally Posted by Decep

Since when are manufacturers allowed to just say "sorry HURRDURR you have a rebuilt title" when they screw something up. You'd have be batshit to volunteer your car for this recall. unless you're forced to do so like in CA.

Toyota didn’t screw anything up. Jimmy at Toyota of Santa Barbara (or whoever did the work) screwed up. Jimmy does not work for Toyota. Jimmy probably doesn’t even know anybody that works for Toyota.

Jimmy is employed by the dealership. The dealership screwed up. Toyota does not own the dealership, some guy named Trace with a yacht and country club membership does.

The dealer needs to fix the problem.

[YBLEGAL]

Black RTV is just generic Permatex usually (I think). https://www.permatex.com/products/ga...-gasket-maker/

Good RTV would be like Hondabond, and it's grey too...

[Decep]

Originally Posted by maslin

Toyota didn’t screw anything up. Jimmy at Toyota of Santa Barbara (or whoever did the work) screwed up. Jimmy does not work for Toyota. Jimmy probably doesn’t even know anybody that works for Toyota.

Jimmy is employed by the dealership. The dealership screwed up. Toyota does not own the dealership, some guy named Trace with a yacht and country club membership does.

The dealer needs to fix the problem.

I understand dealer-manufacturer relationship, i assumed the poster had contacted Toyota and that was Toyota's response. Often times you need to go over the dealer's head and call the OEM who will tell the dealer to own up to their shit.