200hp / 2700lbs - Really?

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by LexusFman

IMHO the FT86 should be offered with a cheapo economy eingine like the 2zrfe in addition to the FB20 boxer. Make it say 18K.

Considering that the 2ZR and whatever boxer engine will be installed in the FT have probably 0 things in common, this wouldn't make any sense from a price savings standpoint. They would be better off using an econo-subaru engine, of which I have no suggestion, since I know nothing about the company in detail.

I know a lot of us Toyota enthusiasts have this deep disconnect with the FT if only because it doesn't have a toyota/yamaha joint engine under the hood, the staple of historically awesome Toyota sports cars since....uh, forever. So to us its kind of a slap in the face that Toyota turned over the heart and soul of the car to a different company.

[Archer256]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Considering that the 2ZR and whatever boxer engine will be installed in the FT have probably 0 things in common, this wouldn't make any sense from a price savings standpoint. They would be better off using an econo-subaru engine, of which I have no suggestion, since I know nothing about the company in detail.

I know a lot of us Toyota enthusiasts have this deep disconnect with the FT if only because it doesn't have a toyota/yamaha joint engine under the hood, the staple of historically awesome Toyota sports cars since....uh, forever. So to us its kind of a slap in the face that Toyota turned over the heart and soul of the car to a different company.

i may not be as old as some of the people around here, but i feel the same. The subie engine is pretty much the only part of the car that has me and my expectations worried. My last hope right now is if TRD does ANYTHING to the engine and makes that mod/tune stock.

that and their using their brains on the IS buut who knows when i get that one *sigh*

[enc0re]

*shrug* I'd rather have a boxer 4 than an inline 4. Lower center of gravity and you don't need balance shafts.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Considering that the 2ZR and whatever boxer engine will be installed in the FT have probably 0 things in common, this wouldn't make any sense from a price savings standpoint. They would be better off using an econo-subaru engine, of which I have no suggestion, since I know nothing about the company in detail.

I know a lot of us Toyota enthusiasts have this deep disconnect with the FT if only because it doesn't have a toyota/yamaha joint engine under the hood, the staple of historically awesome Toyota sports cars since....uh, forever. So to us its kind of a slap in the face that Toyota turned over the heart and soul of the car to a different company.

The only engine for a downgrade besides an older Ej20 is the El15 a 1.5 liter. The El was redone in 2007 and got AVCS but it's the fuel economy model and it's only sold overseas. You won't see one without a special order. Even if it made 100BHP per liter in the FT-86 it would be a 150BHP engine :/. So unless they offer a non-boxer engine or another new engine I'd guess they'd offer a detuned version of the FB20 before they did anything else. The El15 was the first displacement to get the narrow bore longer stroke treatment, hence it has a stroke similar to the Ej25 crank in it so I don't know how it'll rev . They used to have 1.6 and 1.8 versions of the EJ series. I suppose a new 1.6 is possible in the future with Rally going to smaller displacements but not on the FT-86 I'd imagine.

I wouldn't worry too much about whether Subaru will honor the memory of the 4AGE. They've got a good record from what I've seen. I'd blame the design team for compromising too much before I'd think it was ruined by Subaru genetics.

[Mr.Jay]

I don't mind the fact that Toyota is using a boxer due to its positives but I really hope Toyota gives the engine to Yamaha to work their magic and I hope this new engine would get TRD to actually make good aftermarket products again as well

[shadowa00]

According to Best Car magazine it will be 200 to 250ps. Which is roughly 197hp to 246hp.
http://i.imgur.com/7b9S8.jpg

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Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

They used to have 1.6 and 1.8 versions of the EJ series. I suppose a new 1.6 is possible in the future with Rally going to smaller displacements but not on the FT-86 I'd imagine.

Actually I read a artical late last year about this...


[QUOTE]
Subaru and Cosworth prepare new 1.6 liter boxer engine

http://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-new...e-ar92108.html

This artical dated from the 17,06,10

Subaru has announced its partnership with Cosworth for the development of a new 1.6-liter boxer four-cylinder turbo engine. Italian magazine Autosprint reports that the new engine will be launched in 2012 when Subaru will bring out the new generation Impreza.
Next to the Impreza, the new engine will mainly serve for the mass return to the Japanese competitions. With the new FIA rules in place, the engine is necessary for the WTCC rally.

[Niche79]

Why does every Subi have to have the hood scoop? Yuck, it doesnt make it more muscular. I like the clean sexy lines of the Toyota version personally.

Deff needs 2 engines like the Genesis has, I think Hyundai did a good thing in that aspect.

maybe 190hp for the cheaper version.

280hp for the higher end version.

Id personally buy the higher end version as I can and want more power than my current car. But at under 200, you can keep the price at 20k and have a pretty sweet ride to boot!

[Kage]

Agreed with above, I think a low 20k car making 190+hp and maybe a high 20k's low 30k's turbo or very well design 2.5l making closer to 300 as a 370z competitor.

If I can get a car that looks like some of the 'chops from this forum making close to 300 and weighing sub 2800lbs I'd be willing to drop quite a bit.

I'd prefer to have pay more than for them to cut corners

[enc0re]

This is already a super niche car that they are effectively experimenting with. I doubt they want to split their market across two models. Just drives up cost.

If I were Toyota, I'd bring it out as a close to monospec for the introduction. 200hp for everyone. Then, if it is successful, introduce an optional higher spec for the refresh after 3-4 years. You'll have some buzz to grab attention against fresher cars plus you'll get some of the initial buyers to buy again, because they really want the power.

And let's prepare ourselves here. There is every chance this car will not be a success, will be discontinued, and we won't see a sporty Toyota again for a while. There's a reason Toyota got out of that market. There's a reason no one else is offering a cheap sports coupe. It may simply be that the market isn't there. I hope it is. But this car is a gamble on Toyota's part.

[Zorro]

I honestly think the car will fail in America if it doesn't have a turbo model pushing 300hp.


Do you really think you average joe is gonna want something that will give them amazing handling , but will have every other guy on the block laughing at their straight line performance? NO, Americans want to have their cake and eat it too. I don't care if it can beat the 5.0 in the quarter mile but If I can't make this a 12 second car after spending 4k or so in mods... No thanks...



I know, many of you could care less and 1/4 mile times. But the fact is, if it don't go straight respectably fast. American's won't buy it.

[Archer256]

No and no, for the price range they are targeting 300 hp is not needed. If people want 300 hp they can go get themselves a higher end sports car or move up to BMW/Lexus/Mercedes.

People buying this car are looking for an affordable yet fun to drive vehicle rather than getting a 4 door sedan or a more expensive fun car. By your reasoning, "average joe" wouldnt be buying a Camry, Prius, or anything. But...they do. If you're someone on a budget for a car looking 20-30k hmm oh look there's this coupe from toyota, decent price, fast, fun, nice interior...sold.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Zorro

I honestly think the car will fail in America if it doesn't have a turbo model pushing 300hp.


Do you really think you average joe is gonna want something that will give them amazing handling , but will have every other guy on the block laughing at their straight line performance? NO, Americans want to have their cake and eat it too. I don't care if it can beat the 5.0 in the quarter mile but If I can't make this a 12 second car after spending 4k or so in mods... No thanks...



I know, many of you could care less and 1/4 mile times. But the fact is, if it don't go straight respectably fast. American's won't buy it.

Then, answer this. Why Miata have been selling awesomely? Cuz it's convertible? Cuz it's a chick car? Again, I'm not against turbo (I prefer NA), but that doesn't mean it need 300hp.

Believe it or not, 300hp sports cars are dying. So why Toyota wanna sell new car that fits in that spot?

[dominican]

I hope it is about 200hp with the quoted 2700 pound weight. However, it's difficult to believe that it'll stay that low in weight. I own a Honda prelude, the 1998 model (BB6) and it weighs about 3k pounds. It's a smallish car, very rigid structure, and it doesn't have all of the extra safety features forced by today's law. It is also FWD, not RWD, which keeps weight down as well. Because of this, I don't know how they can keep this car at 2700 pounds, and keep the price low at the same time. I really hope that they pull it off. My car has about 200 horsepower, and it weighs 3k pounds, and it's plenty fast for me. It may not be scorching fast, and a V6 camry may give it a run for its money, but it's peppy as a DD and it can still hang in there with G35s. Good enough for me.

I really hope they offer a non turbo one, turbos add more complications to the engine, more stuff that can break over time. It's not in the spirit of the original, and not what I like in cars at all. If I want raw power, I'll go get a C5 corvette.