One injured in street racing crash on Marine Drive

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

Arguing with a Canadian and someone from Seattle about how American society works is never come to a general consensus.

You think our society is different?
You really think you will get consensus to your horrid point of view from the non Seattle Americans here?
Still not answering my questions?

[arkanist]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

Arguing with a Canadian and someone from Seattle about how American society works is never come to a general consensus.

Am I not MURICAN enough for you because I live in Seattle? Get out of here with that gatekeeping bullshit. This isn't even about American society, it is about one idiot advocating a VERY dangerous thing vs a harmless thing.

[SCQTT]

How old are your kids? Nope, not a breeder, too many people already. you would be fine if the police knocked on your door and said they were killed while spectating or participating in a street race? No, of course not. It would suck and it would seem senseless, it would devastate anyone. You would just say "Oh well they knew the risk" and carry on like normal? No, probably no one carries on, but cancer happens and so does lightning and a multitude of other things. Protect your kid from the evils of street racing (which BTW I have never done) and they will be attacked by a shark at the beach. Only the young and old are stupid? I should have said ALL can be stupid, my intent was to NOT single out the young, but I can see where that could be misconstrued as the middle age people are perfect. There is a group in the middle that are all perfect?

Have I ever lost a family member to a careless driver? No, fortunately I have not, but as a avid motorcyclist I have lost many friends and have seen driving (and riding) at its absolute worst.

[SCQTT]

Originally Posted by arkanist

Am I not MURICAN enough for you because I live in Seattle? Get out of here with that gatekeeping bullshit. This isn't even about American society, it is about one idiot advocating a VERY dangerous thing vs a harmless thing.

I'm an idiot?

What is harmless?

I'm not advocating anything. I said it been happening since we crawled out of the mud. Humans are competitive. If we had flying cars we'd be trying to race each other through the sky. Sensationalizing it in media does nothing, but draw more spectators and therefore more participants. If it is going on all the time and is really that much of a danger to society the locals will have the police go down there and do something about it.

[arkanist]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

I'm an idiot?

What is harmless?

I'm not advocating anything. I said it been happening since we crawled out of the mud. Humans are competitive. If we had flying cars we'd be trying to race each other through the sky. Sensationalizing it in media does nothing, but draw more spectators and therefore more participants. If it is going on all the time and is really that much of a danger to society the locals will have the police go down there and do something about it.

Yeah, you are an idiot and you DID advocate for this over smoking weed.

Originally Posted by SCQTT

I'd rather see young people doing this than sitting on the couch getting high, eating Cheetos and playing Call of Duty.

[SCQTT]

Originally Posted by arkanist

Yeah, you are an idiot and you DID advocate for this over smoking weed.

Yeah, I'll stand by that one.

I'm sure the mods do not appreciate name calling, but that's cool if that how you roll. I would assume you'd be a lot more relaxed.

[arkanist]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

Yeah, I'll stand by that one.

I'm sure the mods do not appreciate name calling, but that's cool if that how you roll. I would assume you'd be a lot more relaxed.

Not sure about name calling but I know for a fact they don't want anyone advocating street racing on this forum. And make all the incorrect assumptions you want, it's part of why we are in this argument.

If you are making ignorant arguments and justifying them based on where I am from I won't be chill, doesn't matter how much weed I smoke.

[HKz]

who knew one lethargic street race could cause such angst on a forum pretty heavy consequences for the FRS driver to think about...

[Leonardo]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

How old are your kids? Nope, not a breeder, too many people already. you would be fine if the police knocked on your door and said they were killed while spectating or participating in a street race? No, of course not. It would suck and it would seem senseless, it would devastate anyone. You would just say "Oh well they knew the risk" and carry on like normal? No, probably no one carries on, but cancer happens and so does lightning and a multitude of other things. Protect your kid from the evils of street racing (which BTW I have never done) and they will be attacked by a shark at the beach. Only the young and old are stupid? I should have said ALL can be stupid, my intent was to NOT single out the young, but I can see where that could be misconstrued as the middle age people are perfect. There is a group in the middle that are all perfect?

Have I ever lost a family member to a careless driver? No, fortunately I have not, but as a avid motorcyclist I have lost many friends and have seen driving (and riding) at its absolute worst.

I am not a "breeder", as you put it, either. But by saying "If your care about YOUR teenagers", you implied that you were. As if to say that you were teaching YOUR children situational awareness that would avoid certain situations. And that we should do the same if we had any sense.

[SCQTT]

Originally Posted by Leonardo

I am not a "breeder", as you put it, either. But by saying "If your care about YOUR teenagers", you implied that you were. As if to say that you were teaching YOUR children situational awareness that would avoid certain situations. And that we should do the same if we had any sense.

And I can have that opinion, even if I do not have kids. The emphasis is on teaching YOUR kids personal responsibility. Again my opinion, but you are in for a world of hurt if you think you can turn your kids (young adults) loose and you expect everyone else to keep them from being harmed.

Rules and laws are broken every single day. It is against the law in most places to txt and drive, but many still do it. If I get mowed down while on a motorcycle by someone txting and blowing a stop sign. They might be the lawbreaker, they might be in trouble, but I am no LESS dead. Riding a motorcycle is risk management, but so is taking baths and owning a pit bull. People still drive drunk. If you are out driving around about the same time as the bars close you are increasing your exposure to being hit by a drunk driver. Will they be in the wrong? Absolutely, but you have to know that you do have some culpability because logic dictates that is the time you would most likely be hit by them.

[Leonardo]

[QUOTE=SCQTT;3083963] but so is taking baths and owning a pit bull. QUOTE]




I TAKE BATHS WITH MY PITBULL!


I see that you feel personally attacked; and want to go on the offensive by personally attacking me. I am sorry that you feel that way about American red nose terriers.

[SCQTT]

Lol, I just now noticed your Avatar. Did not mean to pick on Pit Bulls, I know several that are very sweet, but you get the point. Another media attack to make something seem like it is the end of the world....

[SCQTT]

Originally Posted by ERA

we're not in the mud anymore btw

Yeah, I forgot the young ones are so enlightened. They no longer race, millions of them would rather wear a headset and talk to each other while spending hours going on missions "playing" war.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

How old are your kids? Nope, not a breeder, too many people already. you would be fine if the police knocked on your door and said they were killed while spectating or participating in a street race? No, of course not. It would suck and it would seem senseless, it would devastate anyone. You would just say "Oh well they knew the risk" and carry on like normal? No, probably no one carries on, but cancer happens and so does lightning and a multitude of other things. Protect your kid from the evils of street racing (which BTW I have never done) and they will be attacked by a shark at the beach. Only the young and old are stupid? I should have said ALL can be stupid, my intent was to NOT single out the young, but I can see where that could be misconstrued as the middle age people are perfect. There is a group in the middle that are all perfect?

Have I ever lost a family member to a careless driver? No, fortunately I have not, but as a avid motorcyclist I have lost many friends and have seen driving (and riding) at its absolute worst.

Well finally. So you are speaking about matters that you have no first hand knowledge of. Having a child (doesn't matter if they are 5 or 50 they are still your child) killed by anything would be devastating but that escalates when it is due to some deliberate action such as street racing. Your other examples are still not relevant to the topic. Everybody dies but when it is due to stupidly of others it becomes a different matter so the whole "if it isn't street racing it is something else is a very narrow view.
You are also still totally missing my point that many killed by street racers have nothing at all to do with it.
The Fast and Furious movies that glorify street racing and which so many young people base their activities on tend to overlook the whole danger to the general public. They also make it seem like you can crash your car and walk away with a scratch and a bent bumper both of which are gone 5 minutes later. In the real world the victims are more often the person walking their dog or just trying to get home from work. So you survive your crash that kills a family and get to live with that for the rest of your life (much of which will probably be in prison) is that really a better option than playing some video games?