FT-86 II Concept Photos from Geneva!! Motherload of photos.

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by Giccin

:P Mulholland yes lightly traveled but... Azuza.. there's a lot of camping and hiking gong on. Plus a few more CHPs have been spotted. This was about 2-3 months ago.

Mulholland is my favorite is my current favorite in California. Especially the tree that holds all of the broken car/motorcycle parts.

who said anything about mulholland or azuza? hehe, i'm not gonna name the roads i'm thinking of. don't want to ruin them, especially with all the extra traffic on this forum.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by NESW20

who said anything about mulholland or azuza? hehe, i'm not gonna name the roads i'm thinking of. don't want to ruin them, especially with all the extra traffic on this forum.

Haha. Our roads are our secret.

[Abflug]

I only want this car because of fast canyon/touge driving and I hope it´s gonna comply my expecations but I am a little afraid that it´s not gonna give me the same satisfaction as the MR2 gives me (I know, diffrent setups) so I still hope for it!

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by Aki

...You keep equating hardcore enthusiast with people who want sub 5-second 0-60 times, and it's not that simplistic. 200 hp and 2800ish pounds is mid 6, if not lower...

I never said that.

I said less than 7 seconds to 60 is a reasonable benchmark (ideally 6 flat or just over).

If the car cannot get out of it's own way, it's not going to be hit.

The FT-86 is only a theoretical competitor with the Miata, which is a 2-seater roadster. The MRS was a direct competitor for that niche, and in a similar price range, and it is no longer with us.

Toyota's FT-86 is going to be competing with other sporty cars that cost about the same (inlcuding, ironically, the Subaru variant) -- period. That is the market. It will be too expensive for the Scion crowd who will continue to buy coilovers for their hideously ugly, slow toasters.

Originally Posted by Giccin

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!

I'm getting it because I can finally properlly drift ... and would much rather drift than drive in a straight line.

Please tell me you are kidding.

If not, do everyone in your neck of the woods a favor and stay off the fucking road.


All right, I'm done annoying everyone with my unpopular views

But... I have one more prediction: If the car becomes notorious for being underpowered, 75% of owners will build and turbo it within the first 2 years.

And the other 25% will envy them

[BronxBomber13]

Originally Posted by Zaku

Totally agree with you there, I might even try to get to know them better :O girls that can drive manual. NICE

Me too. I love it when a girl knows how to handle a stick...Just not my girl, otherwise she'd want to drive the sports car all the time

[FT-86GOD]

The worst is watching, feel and listening to a girl try to deal with a heavy duty clutch for the first time......

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Siriusly.Andrew

Where did I say that only Americans want torque monsters to go fast in a straight line?

I said Americans want to go fast in a straight line -- Look at NASA lol (huge exaggeration but come on, it was good) 200 miles in 4 minutes plz.

There are different strokes for different folks but we're seeing a lot of "you can't call a torqueless wonder a sports car" where its been proven and accepted that you can.

Just like we see a lot of (I'm guilty of this) "Torque monsters are only good for drag races". The driver dictates how to use the car, the car is a medium to do anything the driver wants. Thats something I forgot, and forget way to often. There are different cars with different strengths, but no one says the S2K can't be a drag king and no one said a Mustang can't be a track god.

And then theres people like you who will buy the best bargain, and then turn it into what he wants. Which is wonderful, but a lot of people including myself do not have the money or the time to spend on such projects so it would make sense to get it all in one affordable package, which the FT is offering us at the moment. Assuming they keep it light, and ~200bhp.

You original reply sounded like a generalization, which prompted my reply.

Originally Posted by Zaku

Totally agree with you there, I might even try to get to know them better :O girls that can drive manual. NICE

My wife drove our 6spd 350z daily to work.

The stigma about "chick car" is played out. Everything below a GTR is pretty much a chick car, and everything above a GTR that's a family sedan or luxury vehicle is a Soccer mom car.

Face it gentlemen, women have good taste.

[micmic]

Originally Posted by someguy

Thanks for the pic! From the front angle like this, it reminds me of a a narrow GTR. I don't like how the raised fenders make the hoodline look sooooo much higher. This car looks swollen, like a GTR... It reminds me of the picture below.

Hopefully, they'll go back to v1 as it looks like it could be a light weight car and not a heavy puffer-fish...

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by BronxBomber13

Me too. I love it when a girl knows how to handle a stick...Just not my girl, otherwise she'd want to drive the sports car all the time

Dude I don't see what's wrong with that, I would love a Girl that has the same car as me and is also active in the same car club as I am like FT86Club here. It would be cool even nice if she's competitive too.

I just don't want things to go bad and go all dramatic cause then it's just gets dumb once it gets on the net ya know.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Zaku

I just came back from Asuza and man it was fun to go there. I'm jealous of you Cali people. Wish I could move West coast.

And as soon as the cops start harassing you because you have an aftermarket exhaust and the car is dropped, you will soon realize you should move back.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

I never said that.

I said less than 7 seconds to 60 is a reasonable benchmark (ideally 6 flat or just over).

If the car cannot get out of it's own way, it's not going to be hit.

The FT-86 is only a theoretical competitor with the Miata, which is a 2-seater roadster. The MRS was a direct competitor for that niche, and in a similar price range, and it is no longer with us.

Toyota's FT-86 is going to be competing with other sporty cars that cost about the same (inlcuding, ironically, the Subaru variant) -- period. That is the market. It will be too expensive for the Scion crowd who will continue to buy coilovers for their hideously ugly, slow toasters.

Totally agree with you there.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

And as soon as the cops start harassing you because you have an aftermarket exhaust and the car is dropped, you will soon realize you should move back.

Oh we get harassed about that in VA too, I got stopped for my Si's exhaust for being too loud and I had a silencer on. It was only a 2.5 canister cat back and I still have my cat too it wasn't a straight pipe or anything.

Asuza seems like a nice and quiet city though, love that it's got a great view and is surrounded by mountains. I still would have to say I'm jealous of west coast. I was looking into those housing developments that's happening over there, 300K for a big single home is a good price compared to the expensive houses here in DC, 300K will buy you a small town house here.

Though the law on cars over there is tougher I believe.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Please tell me you are kidding.

If not, do everyone in your neck of the woods a favor and stay off the fucking road.

I'm not kidding. Who the hell can drift in a yaris hbk. LOL

[OldSkoolToys]

And the other 25% will envy them

Not I.