Learning manual on the 86

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by justatroll

I have read that in Europe if you do not use your "handbrake" on hill starts and at EVERY RED LIGHT you will FAIL your driver's test.

So to say that using your handbrake regularly is "ab"normal, then you have American blinders on....

Do you have European law links? I wonder why that would be. That is interesting information!


To drive in Germany I know that wasn't the case.....

[justatroll]

And back on topic.


When I teach my kids (or grandkids) how to drive MT, I eventually demonstrate shifting with NO CLUTCH.
Once they get the hang of it, I have them try it, but I emphasize that it is not to be used for "normal" driving, just learning.


If you can cleanly shift 1st thru 6th, then back to 2nd all without the clutch (and without grinding), then you have mastered that particular MT.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Boy that's a load of shit. A big truck will move back MUCH quicker than a normal passenger vehicle, especially loaded.

No I'm pretty sure science has determined the larger mass will take longer to accelerate

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

No I'm pretty sure science has determined the larger mass will take longer to accelerate

You have 80,000+ lbs pulling you backwards and it is harder to get moving.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

You have 80,000+ lbs pulling you backwards and it is harder to get moving.

But the force of gravity is the same. That 80000lbs is harder to accelerate than 2700. You have more tires for rolling resistance. Find definitive proof that a loaded truck defies my current understanding of physics and I will believe you

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

But the force of gravity is the same. That 80000lbs is harder to accelerate than 2700. You have more tires for rolling resistance. Find definitive proof that a loaded truck defies my current understanding of physics and I will believe you

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01uOxcNyXAI"]Big Rig Hill Start Challenge - Top Gear USA - Series 2 - YouTube[/ame]


Same physics at play, but much more weight. Harder to start rolling, harder to come back after a simply mistake, it is a totally different scenario.

[Braces]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I had never heard of using the handbrake on a hill until that thread. I don't think anyone genuinely "instructs" it, or it is a relatively new thing.

Or people can't drive.

Hate to rehash the old thread about this, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with using the handbrake to prevent you from going backwards on a hill. I admit that I mostly use my brake to hold me, but every once in awhile ... I'll use the handbrake.

Because ..... it's just one more option that can be used. Use it or don't use it. Has nothing to do with how good a driver you are.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Same physics at play, but much more weight. Harder to start rolling, harder to come back after a simply mistake, it is a totally different scenario.

Then why did you bring it up?

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Then why did you bring it up?

You said it would take longer.

[Alltezza]

Didn't read this thread but CONGRATS ON GETTING THE MANUAL! You'll get it and you have 6+ pages of this thread of people wanting to help you. YOU GOT IT and enjoy the car the way that it's meant to be enjoyed.

MANual(;

[mdm]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

But the force of gravity is the same.

The force of gravity is proportional to mass*. The acceleration is inversely proportional to the mass**. Hence, acceleration due to gravity is independent of mass. Come on guys, this is know since the times of Galileo.



* gravitational mass and **inertial mass, but according to Einstein equivalence principle these two are identical.

[mdm]

Back to the handbrake-on-hill


I learned to drive in Europe, and I don't remember exactly what I was taught back then. Long time ago. Of course I have no idea what is taught now.


But on my exam I stalled on a very small incline, barely larger than a speed hump. To prevent problems when starting again I intentionally allowed the car to roll back off that hump. The examiner asked me: "what would you do if it was an actual hill" and my response was "I'd use the hand brake" and he said "good", and I passed.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

You said it would take longer.

So I watched the video... did in no way prove that a truck will accelerate down hill faster than a car. Additionally, the guy who went first and was most successful dropped the air brake as he was "launching", so he did exactly as us handbrakers do. Thanks for finding a video that supports my way of doing things.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

So I watched the video... did in no way prove that a truck will accelerate down hill faster than a car. Additionally, the guy who went first and was most successful dropped the air brake as he was "launching", so he did exactly as us handbrakers do. Thanks for finding a video that supports my way of doing things.

He had to have it off before starting. Using the airbrake was considered "cheating." They didn't show the last guy unfortunately, but he basically rocketed down the hill because he messed up a little bit.