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[Sleeperz]

Aluminum can be made from recycled material like pop cans, scrap aluminum, etc, which is far less expensive and energy intensive than creating new aluminum.

• Aluminum beverage cans are getting lighter. Twenty years ago, a pound of aluminum made about twenty cans. Today, the same amount of aluminum makes approximately thirty cans. The thickness of the side of an aluminum can is about the same as that of a human hair.

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

The hit from Aluminum has to be taken somewhere. Aluminum is expensive to refine, because of high electricity production prices (due to high fuel prices). Fuel prices are high because of OPEC and the generally high demand-perceived availability ratio of fuel. To get lower fuel consumption, it is essential to lower the weight of automobiles. To lower the weight, Aluminum must be used in certain points of the structure. It's a total catch 22 situation, that cannot be solved (barring an extreme solution like mass production CF or Nuclear Powered Aluminum refineries) without taking an economic hit at some point in the circle. My $0.02

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Sleeperz

Aluminum can be made from recycled material like pop cans, scrap aluminum, etc, which is far less expensive and energy intensive than creating new aluminum.

• Aluminum beverage cans are getting lighter. Twenty years ago, a pound of aluminum made about twenty cans. Today, the same amount of aluminum makes approximately thirty cans. The thickness of the side of an aluminum can is about the same as that of a human hair.

I full well know that. Are you familiar with a concept called supply and demand?

[Sleeperz]

No supply and demand, but a pound of aluminum is going to cost at least 30 cans = $1.50.


Aluminum Recycling Prices / How does aluminum breakdown?

Here is a list of the current prices of various kinds of scrap aluminum.

Old Mixed Aluminum 0.29 0.38 lbs USD
Utensil Aluminum 0.37 0.49 lbs USD
Aluminum Turnings 0.14 0.27 lbs USD
Aluminum Extrusions 0.89 1.04 lbs USD
Low Copper Aluminum 0.87 1.02 lbs USD
Litho Sheets 0.86 1.01 lbs USD
Cast Aluminum 0.83 0.98 lbs USD
Clean Painted Aluminum 0.22 0.44 lbs USD
Painted Aluminum Insulated 0.08 0.16 lbs USD
Coated Aluminum 0.38 0.76 lbs USD
Used Beverage Cans (UBC loose) 0.28 0.55 lbs USD
Shredded UBC 0.67 0.82 lbs USD
Baled UBC 0.70 0.85 lbs USD
Briquetted UBC 0.72 0.87 lbs USD
New Beverage Can Stock 0.78 0.93 lbs USD
Remelt Aluminum Ingot 0.60 0.75 lbs USD
Remelt Aluminum Sows 0.64 0.79 lbs USD
Mixed Irony Aluminum 0.14 0.27 lbs USD
Low Grade Irony Aluminum 0.04 0.11 lbs USD
Auto Transmissions 0.12 0.24 lbs USD
Aluminum Auto Rads 0.21 0.35 lbs USD
Insulated Aluminum Wire 0.28 0.55 lbs USD
Supported Aluminum Cable 0.32 0.63 lbs USD
Bare Aluminum Wire 0.83 0.98 lbs USD
Aluminum Auto Wheels 0.56 0.76 lbs USD
Aluminum Nodules 1.00 1.20 lbs USD
Alumifoil 0.33 0.65 lbs USD
Paperbacked Alumifoil 0.03 0.11 lbs


One of the most common statistics stated about aluminum recycling is that Americans throw away enough aluminum every three months to rebuild the entire national commercial air fleet.

[Dimman]

Um, what are those numbers? Is that what the price per pound of scrap is?

[Matador]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Um, what are those numbers? Is that what the price per pound of scrap is?

Guessing so. I dunno if he is suggesting that automakers compete with Soda makers for recycled aluminum or that they set up their own recycling infrastructure, neither of which are feasible.

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

I full well know that. Are you familiar with a concept called supply and demand?

Well demand for Aluminum is at it's highest, the price of Aluminum is high, and the cost to process raw Aluminum is getting higher. The soda can theory fits because they still ain't paying much for soda cans. Somebody doesn't get it .

And how did this get off the topic of the supposed new logo anyway? Somebody got on the subject of Aluminum that's how!