Still can't decide on AT or MT for your first FRS/BRZ? This may help...

[Davyator]

I picked up my FR-S on Thu, and it. Is a manual Whiteout. And, I have no regrets with the transmission choice.

[Turbowned]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

From Moto-san's info, you can switch em around (-down, +up to +down, -up), so that's not a problem.

That's cool! Points for the 6AT on that one. Still ordering 6MT

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Turbowned

That's cool! Points for the 6AT on that one. Still ordering 6MT

Good for you!

[Nardi330]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

From Moto-san's info, you can switch em around (-down, +up to +down, -up), so that's not a problem.

How difficult would that be? Is it just a software thing or u need to swap the switch like some older Mitsubishi? How would the gear selection trim look after swapping (ie show +/- correctly).

Thx

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Nardi330

How difficult would that be? Is it just a software thing or u need to swap the switch like some older Mitsubishi? How would the gear selection trim look after swapping (ie show +/- correctly).

Thx

You know, that one IDK. Ask Moto-san, he should know that answer

[Nardi330]

No worries. Thx

I might try to look up the Subaru owner's manual.

[ahausheer]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I appreciate you breaking it down for people, but as someone who has DD'd a manual transmission car for the last 13 years in NYC and NC I have to say that most of your "reasons to get the AT" are flat out wrong.

I'm sorry but this car is borderline underpowered as it is. Equipping the car with an automatic transmission is only going to sap away more power from the engine and making matters even worse the AT has taller gearing. The taller gearing alone should tell you that Toyota designed the AT for people with lesser sporting intentions.

The AT will make the same Hp as the manual because it has a locking torque converter.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by thill

I feel exactly the same way. I compromised with my wife once and bought an automatic 2002 Altima 3.5 SE while living in Washington DC (crazy heavy traffic).. I regretted it the day I bought the car and it was the last time I ever bought an automatic car for myself.
Even in ridiculous traffic, I say give me a manual... Like you, I actually enjoy shifting the car and having that feedback and control with the car.. I have been driving manuals for 22 years and hope I drive them for 40 more...

But I get why people buy autos and don't blame them..

I went to through a similar situation, but I just thought I was done with MT, and since I was buying an econobox (Corolla), I thought why go manual? MY GOD, what a mistake! I cannot wait for the day my BRZ arrives, so I can kiss AT goodbye forever!

[Jordo!]

Very well thought out post.

Do you or does anyone yet know if the AT does actually have greater drivetrain losses? If it has full lock up from 2-6, it should lose no more power through the drivetrain than the MT once out of first. The difference in speed may be 100% due to gearing.

Moreover, it's quite possible that the shift speed can be adjusted electronically so that it will shift even faster, meaning that with a tune, the difference between MT and AT may shrink to virtually nothing (and if they had added a 7th gear, it might very well have been faster than the MT...).

Originally Posted by reni

AT is good for people who have some sort of physical disability. That's about it.

Originally Posted by reni

My apologies, that was rather narrow-minded of me.... should I have included mental disabilities as well?

Dude, with comments like that you are a shoe-in for 2012 Douchebag of the Year -- congrats

[reni]

So you're trying to say you fit into the latter category?

[70NYD]

Very well put together post
While I am all about manual cars, and will be for as long as possible because its my choice, I think I totally understand what you are explaining here Moto-P. I first got the hint when the initial reviews came out, explaining how surprisingly quick the car shifts, how good it feels etc.
What I gather from Your post is that this cars transmition is great and it has been setup with enthusiasts and great spirited driving in mind regardless if you pick manual or auto

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Cornerman

Don't forget, the MT is supposed to be about a half second faster 0 to 60. That has to be an advantage for auto-x.


That being said, I still ordered the Semi-automatic!

It seems like the manual is more than 1 seconds quicker. The 1/4 mile time is about 15.9 for auto and 14.8 for manual. That should give you and idea of the 0-60.

[Moto-P]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

It seems like the manual is more than 1 seconds quicker. The 1/4 mile time is about 15.9 for auto and 14.8 for manual. That should give you and idea of the 0-60.

Yes, but if 0-60 is the question of the day, I wouldn't have chosen a FT86 in the first place with any transmission. haha! But that being outside of this topic...

You're right though, and if a driver is capable of launching and shifting precisely and ultra-quick in each shift, the manual will have an advantage, but many of us non-drag racers don't like to slap-shift that fast, unless there is a shiny stick on wooden base and cash prize at the end of the 1/4 mile or a 20 min stint on the local track.

This AT is precise, durable, and consistent even if your grandmother floored it out of a green light, as long as she can hold the gas pedal there.

But again, I'll be fair in saying, I got an AT because this is my daily driver, and was keen on playing with electronic shifting car for the next several months. And not dismissing the 6 on the floor manual, which I plan to own within 24 months for my track use second FRS.

[Moto-P]

hey guys...all responded here...

My initial post was to address those who are caught between the choice of AT and MT.
It wasn't meant to be a propaganda against MT, for those who have already made up their minds...

I'm just telling those who are contemplating for whatever reason, that to be comforted, that this AT is one of the best sports-AT around in any car at any price, and feel free to endulge.

For those that enjoy MANUAL with standard clutch, by all means get it in MT.
I'm getting one for my second FRS.

So please don't flame me for this post, I'm merely suggesting that AT is not an invalid choice for those who do contemplate on this choice.

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