2016 GT86 Toyota Press Release, 86 "style Cb"

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I don't think so. They were aiming it at a women in Japan. The idea was to up the luxury feel in the interior and make the outside look less like a tuner car and more "classy" / less aggressive...... They wouldn't completely replace the current design with this, because it's meant to be a "cool" tuner car.

The issue is that the platform is not selling as much as they were thinking at the initial stages. It is not only the Cb design. They already moved in a more premium feel even with the ordinary specs.

For example, they completely removed the RA spec in Japan which it had no floor silencer, no trunk mats, steal wheels and overall it was a car for the hardcore fans. And this spec it was not only for Japan. We were getting this spec also in Europe. However, this spec counted only of the 2% of their sales. The other 98% wants a premium feel and not to change much or tune things.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by torqdork

Statements from Toyota/Scion execs linked on this forum.

LOL.

I'd take that front end over any of the clown-shoe edgy crap out there now. What will the JDM crowd do if that takes off?

Somewhere on a Jaguar forum is some dipshit complaining about this car looking like a crawfish. Looking at one today, and it was f-in gorgeous.



Could have been this:

[STJ]

I like it, the headlights got a certain Toyota Verossa look to them!

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by FRSupra

"Beautiful brilliance that extends beyond time and place" well it doesn't get more Japanese than that..

...but Driving Kids with Toyota... LOL

I wonder which model weighs 3,240 lbs. and what content is included in the lighter models? Anyone translate?

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Hey, what if that thing has better aero than the regular FR-S? The function > form guys might be all over it.

I am a function > form guy, but what exactly do you think about this would make a big enough difference that it would affect aero in a positive way to make it worth buying? The bumper seems to sit slightly higher, the mouth seems to be slightly smaller, and nothing else aside from the headlight cutouts are different at all that I can tell.

Any aftermarket aero-focused bumper or lip + splitter on stock bumper would most likely produce more downforce.

Anyway, this is 100% design/fashion focused for Japanese women. Just look at how they are marketing it and what they changed.

I don't see this being all that appealing to women outside of Japan though.

Really, it just looks kinda boring. It's not that it's HIDEOUS... It's just not particularly stylish and all aggression is lost. It's not particularly sleek or sexy. It looks like a more boring/feminine version of the S2000 front end. Quite similar to an NB Miata. The new Miata is much better looking all-around, IMO.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

The issue is that the platform is not selling as much as they were thinking at the initial stages. It is not only the Cb design. They already moved in a more premium feel even with the ordinary specs.

For example, they completely removed the RA spec in Japan which it had no floor silencer, no trunk mats, steal wheels and overall it was a car for the hardcore fans. And this spec it was not only for Japan. We were getting this spec also in Europe. However, this spec counted only of the 2% of their sales. The other 98% wants a premium feel and not to change much or tune things.

Meh. People are blowing the sales decline out of proportion. Nobody outside of Toyota knows what they predicted as far as sales go. Sales have been pretty damn good compared to MANY other sports cars of the 90s/2000s. Sure, it's not selling as well as a Camry or Civic or whatever, but no sports car ever will.

As for the stripped down, basic tuner/racing spec... Has any other sports car had such a thing that was produced throughout the entire lifespan of the car? I'm not sure, but I don't think there has been one. In a way, it's a special edition for tuners and track junkies... take out all the shit that's going to be replaced anyway to keep initial costs down. Makes sense, but not necessarily to keep producing for the entire life of the car as it's really only for certain people, who probably have already bought one. I do wish that was an available option in the US though....

[Drewfellas]

What did they do to the car O.o... Looking at it reminds me of 1980's European sports car.... Front end that is... Reason why I chose the frs was because the front end looks good... Looks like they just added a front new bumper and called it 2016

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I am a function > form guy, but what exactly do you think about this would make a big enough difference that it would affect aero in a positive way to make it worth buying? The bumper seems to sit slightly higher, the mouth seems to be slightly smaller, and nothing else aside from the headlight cutouts are different at all that I can tell.

Any aftermarket aero-focused bumper or lip + splitter on stock bumper would most likely produce more downforce.

Anyway, this is 100% design/fashion focused for Japanese women. Just look at how they are marketing it and what they changed.

I don't see this being all that appealing to women outside of Japan though.

Really, it just looks kinda boring. It's not that it's HIDEOUS... It's just not particularly stylish and all aggression is lost. It's not particularly sleek or sexy. It looks like a more boring/feminine version of the S2000 front end. Quite similar to an NB Miata. The new Miata is much better looking all-around, IMO.

I do not KNOW if it would be more aero efficient. However, it is more rounded and there are less sharp lines around the headlights, grill and in the area of the turn foglight/vents. Smooth normally means better airflow. Sharp edges, creases and increased surface area normally mean more drag. It also appears to have a small lip below the nose to cut down on lift.

I am not saying I particularly like it but there is a chance that it could flow better than the stock bumper cover and headlights. If that is the case someone will want it. Even if it is not better in any way someone will want it anyway because it is different.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Meh. People are blowing the sales decline out of proportion. Nobody outside of Toyota knows what they predicted as far as sales go. Sales have been pretty damn good compared to MANY other sports cars of the 90s/2000s. Sure, it's not selling as well as a Camry or Civic or whatever, but no sports car ever will.

As for the stripped down, basic tuner/racing spec... Has any other sports car had such a thing that was produced throughout the entire lifespan of the car? I'm not sure, but I don't think there has been one. In a way, it's a special edition for tuners and track junkies... take out all the shit that's going to be replaced anyway to keep initial costs down. Makes sense, but not necessarily to keep producing for the entire life of the car as it's really only for certain people, who probably have already bought one. I do wish that was an available option in the US though....

Agreed. Sales are fine.

It would also be nice if Toyota/Scion would offer the stripped model and a trunk CR package like Mazda did with the MX-5.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Meh. People are blowing the sales decline out of proportion. Nobody outside of Toyota knows what they predicted as far as sales go. Sales have been pretty damn good compared to MANY other sports cars of the 90s/2000s. Sure, it's not selling as well as a Camry or Civic or whatever, but no sports car ever will.

They wanted to build 100k a year:

http://www.ft86club.com/?p=1345

I don't think they hit that (It took nearly 2 years for the first 100k) and given current numbers and history of Japanese sports cars they never will. It's done well but I don't think it met optimistic expectations, it probably exceeded minimum expectations, but doesn't exactly bode well for long term viability of the small lightweight sports car market.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

They wanted to build 100k a year:

http://www.ft86club.com/?p=1345

I don't think they hit that (It took nearly 2 years for the first 100k) and given current numbers and history of Japanese sports cars they never will. It's done well but I don't think it met optimistic expectations, it probably exceeded minimum expectations, but doesn't exactly bode well for long term viability of the small lightweight sports car market.

Did you read the rest?

"Since the introduction on February 2, 7,000 orders of the Toyota 86 have been placed, which are as seven times the monthly sales target, while 2,500 orders for the Subaru BRZ have been placed since its on February 3 – which is 5.6 times as the original target."

According to that, their target was only 12,000 86s and 446 BRZs each year.

Not sure if that was just Japan or what?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Did you read the rest?

"Since the introduction on February 2, 7,000 orders of the Toyota 86 have been placed, which are as seven times the monthly sales target, while 2,500 orders for the Subaru BRZ have been placed since its on February 3 – which is 5.6 times as the original target."

According to that, their target was only 12,000 86s and 446 BRZs each year.

Not sure if that was just Japan or what?

Yes there was high demand the first few months but if you take a look at the sales the trends are down and will likely continue to trend down. Just like every other Japanese sports car sold in America: Miata, 350/370Z, RX-8, S2000.

Not bad, just realistically speaking it hasn't met the optimistic expectations set forth, they are NOT producing 100k per year otherwise we would have seen the "200k produced!" jubilee by now or at least within the next 3 months (3 years anniversary this spring). Maybe that was just hype, I don't know, but Toyobaru's are a drop in the bucket in this country compared to Mustangs and Camaros and Challengers, each of those selling in 2x to 3x the volume.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=464

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

I am a function > form guy, but what exactly do you think about this would make a big enough difference that it would affect aero in a positive way to make it worth buying? The bumper seems to sit slightly higher, the mouth seems to be slightly smaller, and nothing else aside from the headlight cutouts are different at all that I can tell.

Any aftermarket aero-focused bumper or lip + splitter on stock bumper would most likely produce more downforce.

You actually believe that downforce was a design consideration for this?

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

You actually believe that downforce was a design consideration for this?

No, not at all. Read the series of posts again, maybe.