2016 GT86 Toyota Press Release, 86 "style Cb"

[HUNTERANGEL121]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

This car is on it's last leg here. What we need is an exciting engine, not a boring front bumper. cmon toyota, bump the HP up at least 40... Honda did it 17 years ago

A new engine won't happen unless people keep buying the cars. The cost for the car was built to be cheap. Price of the S2000 new was 35k. Brother paid 37 at a dealer back in 05. FRS msrp is 25k. Would you want +10k msrp on base price?
Not saying that this new design isn't adding but a better engine would require more sales
But remember, it's winter. People aren't buying a light rwd coupe right now.

[Zanwald]

I think the new design is pretty sexy. I'd never want it because I'm a barebones type of guy, but I do like the style of it.

[smoini6]

God please no.

[dtrop]

Originally Posted by Ayoitszritchie

wtfff? we went from release of the car that a turbo was "rumored" for 2016, now that 2016 is around the corner this is what we get...? 😠

What do you mean "we?" You live in Florida, you need not to worry about this Japan release....

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by smoini6

God please no.

All of the people posting replies like this need to tell us if they like the Rocket Bozo kit.

The FR-S is the edgy oddball up front. Since it does not match the rest of the car, perhaps it was an appeal to the flatbills.

[UtahSleeper]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

This car is on it's last leg here. What we need is an exciting engine, not a boring front bumper. cmon toyota, bump the HP up at least 40... Honda did it 17 years ago

I personally don't want that extra hp, cause they will tack it on the price.

What they should do is an RS 2.0 with new exhaust, TRD intake and a new tune with a diff color and then see how that one sales.

I would never buy it cause I like the car as it is, but I have no doubt that if Scion gave the car the "needed" power bump everyone claims, and added the needed price bump, no one would be rushing to buy it.

You add more power, you create more strain, more stuff breaks and then warranty cost goes up, which gets added on the car from the start.

Really hope cb does not make it here.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DohcTor

This car is on it's last leg here. What we need is an exciting engine, not a boring front bumper. cmon toyota, bump the HP up at least 40... Honda did it 17 years ago

Honda, Honda, Honda!

Fifth drop in:

Just going to keep this and drop it every time that sort of statement comes out!

Tada:
“We visited with car enthusiasts in Japan, America and Europe. The feedback we received was almost always the same. They said there are a lot of sports cars with high horsepower that are very fast, but these are not the sports cars that they want to have. They want small compact cars that are controllable, that they can tune themselves. However, that kind of sports car is not on the market. Therefore, these sports car enthusiasts are forced to continue to use older cars from a long time ago, because there is no new alterative on the market.”


“We also went to competitors and asked them: “Why do you focus on fast cars?” The response almost always was: ‘Actually, we really don’t want to develop these kinds of cars. But once we bring a plan to develop that car to our board, the first question the directors of the company would ask is: How much faster is that car compared to what the competition has? How many seconds faster around the Nürburgring? What about the acceleration? These questions always come up because numerical performance is the easiest to understand.


It is impossible to develop a sports car that appeals to everybody. If you try to please everybody, the car would be half-baked for everybody, and not particularly good for anybody. This car is not developed by a committee, or by consensus.”



“When we first presented this idea to our advertising people, they were drastically opposed to this idea. They complained that the car doesn’t have a particularly fast time on the circuit, it does not use any new technology. They also could not think of a catchy headline for the catalogue.”

[Quentin]

Originally Posted by dtrop

What do you mean "we?" You live in Florida, you need not to worry about this Japan release....

You should have seen the shit show that happened when the 100 example track ready special edition was announced. People around here have zero ability to comprehend what they read.


Sent from Tandy 400

[Choco]

I think CB style is cute. Wait, it was designed for chicks right? Nevermind, my opinion on CB style doesn't count.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Honda, Honda, Honda!

Fifth drop in:

Just going to keep this and drop it every time that sort of statement comes out!

Tada:
“We visited with car enthusiasts in Japan, America and Europe. The feedback we received was almost always the same. They said there are a lot of sports cars with high horsepower that are very fast, but these are not the sports cars that they want to have. They want small compact cars that are controllable, that they can tune themselves. However, that kind of sports car is not on the market. Therefore, these sports car enthusiasts are forced to continue to use older cars from a long time ago, because there is no new alterative on the market.”


“We also went to competitors and asked them: “Why do you focus on fast cars?” The response almost always was: ‘Actually, we really don’t want to develop these kinds of cars. But once we bring a plan to develop that car to our board, the first question the directors of the company would ask is: How much faster is that car compared to what the competition has? How many seconds faster around the Nürburgring? What about the acceleration? These questions always come up because numerical performance is the easiest to understand.


It is impossible to develop a sports car that appeals to everybody. If you try to please everybody, the car would be half-baked for everybody, and not particularly good for anybody. This car is not developed by a committee, or by consensus.”



“When we first presented this idea to our advertising people, they were drastically opposed to this idea. They complained that the car doesn’t have a particularly fast time on the circuit, it does not use any new technology. They also could not think of a catchy headline for the catalogue.”

The key element he is leaving out in that quote is price. Those enthusiasts would gladly take a faster car at a similar price if it were available to them. Really, he was just referencing old, light rwd cars like the AE86 and S13/S14/S15 silvias which are cheap nowadays.

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Honda, Honda, Honda!

Fifth drop in:

Just going to keep this and drop it every time that sort of statement comes out!

I think your rose tinted glasses are keeping you from seeing this as objectively as possible.

Most critics have not complained about the fact that the car is no horsepower monster but rather that it is just a tad underpowered.

Would adding 50hp make the car a ton faster? No ask the people on here who have already done it.
Would adding 50hp make the car far more expensive? No it could likely be done without adding more the $3k to the sticker price.

Would adding 50hp to the car make it feel quicker and give it that extra little most people hint it needs? For the vast majority of people, yes it would.
Why do I presume this?
Well I could cite tons of links to tons of articles/editorials/OP's that site the need for a little more HP.
I could also direct you to many of the sub forums here where many users are trying to achieve a very similar number on their cars through aftermarket parts and tunes.

Having an option from the factory would satisfy all those people who dont want to delve into aftermarket customizing and tuning along with the problems and voided warranties that go with it.

Be a little open minded here.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

I think your rose tinted glasses are keeping you from seeing this as objectively as possible.

Most critics have not complained about the fact that the car is no horsepower monster but rather that it is just a tad underpowered.

Would adding 50hp make the car a ton faster? No ask the people on here who have already done it.
Would adding 50hp make the car far more expensive? No it could likely be done without adding more the $3k to the sticker price.

Would adding 50hp to the car make it feel quicker and give it that extra little most people hint it needs? For the vast majority of people, yes it would.
Why do I presume this?
Well I could cite tons of links to tons of articles/editorials/OP's that site the need for a little more HP.
I could also direct you to many of the sub forums here where many users are trying to achieve a very similar number on their cars through aftermarket parts and tunes.

Having an option from the factory would satisfy all those people who dont want to delve into aftermarket customizing and tuning along with the problems and voided warranties that go with it.

Be a little open minded here.

At no point did I say that I personally wouldn't want a little more nor that I wasn't doing something along those lines eventually.

The point is that the car was designed and made the way it was because that is what was asked for and that was the vision all along. They were very clear that those that want more power are able to do so but they are not interested in making it that way from the start. Contrary to what many think it was never built as an out of the box race car but as an economical, fun, attractive sports coupe that can easily be built into a race car (or show car or whatever you want).

I have read all the articles and disagree with many as they were biased from the start and just escalated from there. The term "vast majority" gets thrown out every time this debate comes up but in reality the "vast majority" of the people buying this car do not frequent this forum and could care less if there is 50 more HP. It wouldn't matter if there was 50 more stock anyway because then the not enough power guys would just say it should have 51!

You feel that I have rose coloured glasses and am closed minded but like a few others you seem to be blinded by the need to have more power. As Tada stated in his article "you can't please everyone" so those that do not think it is powerful enough but don't do anything about it simply bought the wrong car in the first place.

Damn it! I promised myself I would not get sucked into these More Power debates anymore!!!!!!!!

[Marx]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Would adding 50hp make the car far more expensive? No it could likely be done without adding more the $3k to the sticker price.

What makes you think there's 50HP just lying around to add in? The most impressive NA gains around here have been about 40HP, and that's removing the cat from the header and running E85, neither of which are options for retail sale. Lower compression internals and a small turbo would get you there but that will bump sticker way more than $3k. What other option is there, research, dev and implementation of an FA23 or FA25 engine?

[Dezoris]

This car needs more body kit editions.