CSG and RCE tag-team suspension Q&A thread! Ask us anything!

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by FRS Johnny

What are the pros and cons of toe in the back? I remember reading about it, but don't remember much.

It'll help stabilize the rear and keep the car easy to drive fast mostly.

- Andy

[husker741]

Originally Posted by jvincent

It might poke a little.

I'm running 18x8.5 +48 with 225/40/18 tires and it looks pretty flush to me. I've got pics in the wheel directory.

What camber are you at front and rear?

[jvincent]

-1.5* in the front and -1* in the rear. Stock springs and shocks.

There is a ton of clearance in the rear but I only have a few mm of clearance to the spring perch in the front.

[unsurety]

I've always eyed -2.0 F and -1.5 to -1.7 R with ~0.1 R toe in.

I'm running Tarmac 0s (so, same rate F/R). I was considering getting a front sway only, one with a mild increase in stiffness, like a 20mm solid bar. Would it help keep the front outside tire planted or should I just keep the stock sways?

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

It'll help stabilize the rear and keep the car easy to drive fast mostly.

- Andy

I've seen people say they run a hair of toe-in on the rear and about a hair and a half of toe-out on the front. What is the purpose of toe-out on the front?

I'm trying to make sure I know what all the parts do, so when I tell the alignment guy specific requirements I know what I'm talking about.

[7thgear]

I've a strano bar and I think it needs a bit of aligning (it only bangs on the passenger side)


what's the best way to do this, loosen the clip bolt accessable from below the car (that holds the bushing in place), then loosen the "collars" and just use hand force to move it around?


I remember just trying to clamp it down while it was on the bench was hard... I wonder if it's something I'd be able to do while on my back

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by unsurety

I've always eyed -2.0 F and -1.5 to -1.7 R with ~0.1 R toe in.

I'm running Tarmac 0s (so, same rate F/R). I was considering getting a front sway only, one with a mild increase in stiffness, like a 20mm solid bar. Would it help keep the front outside tire planted or should I just keep the stock sways?

I wouldn't use a stiffer front bar to keep the outside front tire planted. It will help keep the rear planted though. What kind of improvement are you looking for?

- Andy

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I've seen people say they run a hair of toe-in on the rear and about a hair and a half of toe-out on the front. What is the purpose of toe-out on the front?

I'm trying to make sure I know what all the parts do, so when I tell the alignment guy specific requirements I know what I'm talking about.

Toe-out in the front will make the car eager to turn-in. This can sometimes make the car feel darty or wander on the highway at the extreme.

- Andy

[unsurety]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

I wouldn't use a stiffer front bar to keep the outside front tire planted. It will help keep the rear planted though. What kind of improvement are you looking for?

- Andy

Truth be told, I'm not quite sure. I just want to budget for mods. I've seen people upgrade the front bar only, or even take out the rear sway for autox.

I'm sure stock sways on T0s will be fine. I probably need to do more driving. I've only done a couple of autox and taken it to canyon roads. The car went wide in autox, but that's probably due to my driving.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by unsurety

Truth be told, I'm not quite sure. I just want to budget for mods. I've seen people upgrade the front bar only, or even take out the rear sway for autox.

I'm sure stock sways on T0s will be fine. I probably need to do more driving. I've only done a couple of autox and taken it to canyon roads. The car went wide in autox, but that's probably due to my driving.

Gotcha. IMO don't worry about the bars just yet. Get some more seat time and feel the car out a little more.

- Andy

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Toe-out in the front will make the car eager to turn-in. This can sometimes make the car feel darty or wander on the highway at the extreme.

- Andy

So,
-1.5-2.5 front camber based on the limits of my camber bolt, 0 front toe, OEM caster.
-1.7-ish rear camber based on the natural camber from lowering springs (yellow ones), -1/32 toe on each side for a total of -1/16.

And this will produce a car that is responsive and fun, but still settled and well-mannered on long highway road trips? And not follow grooves in the road?

Sorry for asking so many minor questions, I just want to make sure I've got it down.

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

So,
-1.5-2.5 front camber based on the limits of my camber bolt, 0 front toe, OEM caster.
-1.7-ish rear camber based on the natural camber from lowering springs (yellow ones), -1/32 toe on each side for a total of -1/16.

And this will produce a car that is responsive and fun, but still settled and well-mannered on long highway road trips? And not follow grooves in the road?

Sorry for asking so many minor questions, I just want to make sure I've got it down.

Yup! Rear camber might end up being a little higher but that's OKAY.

- Andy

[Turkish]

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

Yup! Rear camber might end up being a little higher but that's OKAY.

- Andy

Originally Posted by gramicci101

So,
-1.5-2.5 front camber based on the limits of my camber bolt, 0 front toe, OEM caster.
-1.7-ish rear camber based on the natural camber from lowering springs (yellow ones), -1/32 toe on each side for a total of -1/16.

And this will produce a car that is responsive and fun, but still settled and well-mannered on long highway road trips? And not follow grooves in the road?

Sorry for asking so many minor questions, I just want to make sure I've got it down.

I have the Tarmac springs, which have the same drop as the yellows and I'm at ~-2* rear camber from the drop.

[Bobblehead]

What are the "staples" for making the car handle even better, bracing included. For Fox body Mustangs it was sub frame connectors, front strut tower brace and better springs.

What's this car's secret to "slot car" handling?