2014 86CUP presented by Winmax, rules and schedule

[solidONE]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Well, if the entire board decides to leave early.... :p

I'm almost always fastest in session 1

Some people still need time to learn the tracks in the first few... I'll probably be doing the follow and lead in first session.

[D K]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Well, if the entire board decides to leave early.... :p

I'm almost always fastest in session 1

Ok, but why would that affect which sessions are timed?

Only reason Im asking is I need to know how to prep my car.

Since I have a bunch of stuff olanned for my car, I dont see it as a huge benefit to prep my car to class rules unless I get at least 3 timed sessions (2 besides the first session).

If you are fastest in group one, thats great - I have always found tracks to be green first thing in the morning. Or wet. Or whatever.

But then again, im the new guy, so I dont expect the rules tweaked in my favor.
Im happy to just do the trackd ays without being part of the 86 cup also.
So either way is good but I would prefer to know which way to go..

D

[MyRx]

Originally Posted by D K

Ok, but why would that affect which sessions are timed?

Only reason Im asking is I need to know how to prep my car.

Since I have a bunch of stuff olanned for my car, I dont see it as a huge benefit to prep my car to class rules unless I get at least 3 timed sessions (2 besides the first session).

If you are fastest in group one, thats great - I have always found tracks to be green first thing in the morning. Or wet. Or whatever.

But then again, im the new guy, so I dont expect the rules tweaked in my favor.
Im happy to just do the trackd ays without being part of the 86 cup also.
So either way is good but I would prefer to know which way to go..

D

NorCal is following suit with SoCal's rules. Granted, the first session is a gimme for newbs - to get familiar with the track and environment. But I'm sure I can collect the fastest times from all of the participants in the sessions being timed. Last session won't be timed for the sake of admin stuff, gathering to announce the winners, and clean up for those not die-hard into tracking. I also like the fact to assist our track organizers (NCRC) without having to do all that we need them to do at the end of the last session and for the participants to not stay any longer in the evening.

By chance if an experienced driver produces his/her fastest time in the first session, then that's collected. As the transponders will be given out before the track goes hot.

[D K]

Originally Posted by MyRx

NorCal is following suit with SoCal's rules. Granted, the first session is a gimme for newbs - to get familiar with the track and environment. But I'm sure I can collect the fastest times from all of the participants in the sessions being timed. Last session won't be timed for the sake of admin stuff, gathering to announce the winners, and clean up for those not die-hard into tracking. I also like the fact to assist our track organizers (NCRC) without having to do all that we need them to do at the end of the last session and for the participants to not stay any longer in the evening.

By chance if an experienced driver produces his/her fastest time in the first session, then that's collected. As the transponders will be given out before the track goes hot.

Are you in favor of timing 1-3 or 1-4?


Imagine if Jonny trackboy shows up and strips a bolt swapping brake pads or breaks something on his car before he goes out in the first session.
Now it takes him a couple of hours to get it fixed and he just makes it out for the first time in session 3.
With the current rules, he would only get one timed session.

Timing session 4 would at least give an opportunity to have a 2nd session and still finish the day early.

Just sayin

[MyRx]

Originally Posted by D K

Are you in favor of timing 1-3 or 1-4?


Imagine if Jonny trackboy shows up and strips a bolt swapping brake pads or breaks something on his car before he goes out in the first session.
Now it takes him a couple of hours to get it fixed and he just makes it out for the first time in session 3.
With the current rules, he would only get one timed session.

Timing session 4 would at least give an opportunity to have a 2nd session and still finish the day early.

Just sayin

Really depends on the schedule but if we have 5 sessions that day, 1-4 is timed. 1 session for the newbs is free unless they do pull their fastest time. Last session (5 or 4) we can consult at the track during that day - based on time and participation. It could be just as fun being timed as it it just running the track. Personally, I'm looking at least the first session to get acquainted with the track and those in my run group.

[D K]

Ok

We are in agreement then

Originally Posted by MyRx

Really depends on the schedule but if we have 5 sessions that day, 1-4 is timed. 1 session for the newbs is free unless they do pull their fastest time. Last session (5 or 4) we can consult at the track during that day - based on time and participation. It could be just as fun being timed as it it just running the track. Personally, I'm looking at least the first session to get acquainted with the track and those in my run group.

[CSG Mike]

Regardless of the sessions timed, everyone still has an equal opportunity to set a time.


Here's the superior possibility, IMO. If we can consistently have 20 car turnouts, we can have our own private TT session... where the rest of the day is just a normal track day, and only the time you put down in that TT session counts toward final results.

[MyRx]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Regardless of the sessions timed, everyone still has an equal opportunity to set a time.


Here's the superior possibility, IMO. If we can consistently have 20 car turnouts, we can have our own private TT session... where the rest of the day is just a normal track day, and only the time you put down in that TT session counts toward final results.

Agreed. We have a similar agreement up here. Depending on the participation level, we can *reserve* our own 86 session(s).

That would make for a nice scene definitely.

[ImperiousRex]

Originally Posted by D K

Are you in favor of timing 1-3 or 1-4?


Imagine if Jonny trackboy shows up and strips a bolt swapping brake pads or breaks something on his car before he goes out in the first session.
Now it takes him a couple of hours to get it fixed and he just makes it out for the first time in session 3.
With the current rules, he would only get one timed session.

Timing session 4 would at least give an opportunity to have a 2nd session and still finish the day early.

Just sayin

That's a very specific "what if" situation :P Shit happens at the track and there's nothing we can do with car problems that are beyond our control.

HOWEVER, I'm down for timing 1-4 IF the majority of people stay for the award ceremony at the end. 1 or 2 people leaving early is not that big a deal but if we have more than half missing by the time we get times compiled in the late afternoon during the 5th sessions then we're sacrificing any sense of running a competition just so a few guys can attempt to get a faster laptime in on a track that they're still learning anyways.

We can try the 1-4 timing over the next couple events (if @CSG Mike and @mav1178 are ok with the change) but again if the folks clamoring for the late sessions are leaving early, then I would argue strongly to return to the 1-3 format.

[CSG Mike]

1-4 for CVR it is!

[D K]

Awesome.

Hopefully we'll see a big turn out.

DK

[CSG Mike]

Please welcome Aerowerkz as the Class sponsor for the Stock and Street classes!

[JS + BRZ]

I'll be there!

[Sonolin]

I've been wondering, is e85 tune + e85 reflash = .50 points (for e85) or .75 (e85 + flash)? Also what about 100 octane shouldn't that incur a penalty if e85 does?