BRZ and FR-S Sales Numbers Thread

[Bad Habits]

Worse case scenario? A car with a lot of potential but Toyota and Subaru will equally screw it up. Toyota tries to make it into something it shouldn't be (a four door, soft top, etc) and Subaru doesn't know what to do with it. If subie drops a bigger motor, more expensive parts into it thus making it too expensive for a lot of buyers. Both scenarios kill the frs/brz. Seems a lot of people think this platform was a short term thing from the get go although I would like to see them both around for a three or four gens. Only time will tell but I don't regret my purchase.

[EAGLE5]

The Miata sold 45k in its first year, according to Wikipedia, and 95,640 in its first full year of production. The twins cannot even hold a candle to that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_M...rs_and_details

[shaunsweeney]

Without some form of FI this car will not be around for a second generation. It is just that simple. People will get bored of this car too quickly otherwise. There are a lot of people who aren't willing to put aftermarket FI on a NA motor and risk the consequences.

[suaveflooder]

As odd as it sounds. I would be completely fine with the twin never having a second generation. The aftermarket is HUGE already, the car has a cult following, and my resale value is dropping fast. I need the car to be rare

I agree with @shaunsweeney on this one. The lack of power on these cars turn a lot of people away.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

The Miata sold 45k in its first year, according to Wikipedia, and 95,640 in its first full year of production. The twins cannot even hold a candle to that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_M...rs_and_details

How do we find the global sales of the Twins?

My Google is coming up short and Binging it is not helping.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The yearly sales of these cars will fall off rapidly. I just hope Toyota/Subaru has a plan to make it sell well again.

Yup, that is what always happens with sports/sporty cars. Look at the Z, RX8, S2000, etc...

They all sell well at first, then drop off rapidly because they are niche cars or toys.

People will always need work trucks and family sedans, so the F150 and Camry/Corolla will always sell.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

People will always need work trucks and family sedans, so the F150 and Camry/Corolla will always sell.

And all this makes the point on why they need to make other versions of the car, just like FIAT is doing with the 500 and like Mini did as well. Both of which would die without a model refresh or a variation on a theme.

So I say bring on the sedan!

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

The Miata sold 45k in its first year, according to Wikipedia, and 95,640 in its first full year of production. The twins cannot even hold a candle to that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_M...rs_and_details

US Sales, first full year of production:

- NA Miata (first/original iteration): 35,944
- FR-S/BRZ: 26,914
- NC Miata (most recent iteration): 16,897

[avp1]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

And all this makes the point on why they need to make other versions of the car, just like FIAT is doing with the 500 and like Mini did as well. Both of which would die without a model refresh or a variation on a theme.

So I say bring on the sedan!

If I really needed sedan or hatch, I would get WRX. The only variation than makes sense is turbo/SC for manual transmission. It will allow to keep price under $30K.

[EAGLE5]

Yep, still far behind. Still, great sales, more than they forecasted. I don't know global twin sales.

My point is, the twins are not a phenomenon like the NA Miata. It's a great car that I love, but it's not some miracle from on high or massive revival of what everybody misses and loves. It's a moderate revival of what everybody misses and loves.

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

US Sales, first full year of production:

- NA Miata (first/original iteration): 35,944
- FR-S/BRZ: 26,914
- NC Miata (most recent iteration): 16,897

[shaunsweeney]

I think you would be surprised how well sedan version of the 86 would sell especially for Toyota. Not so much for subaru due top the imprezza. That's where the partnership becomes problematic. Toyota needs this more than subaru does performance wise and subaru needed it more technology wise.

For those reasons I don't see this car going anywhere more than a second gen with FI and then the way of the dodo.

[Coaster]

The FRB can't be compared to the Miata's first year. The car market was way different in 1989 when the Miata was revealed (along with the NSX) at the Chicago Auto Show. It was one of the few or only small, 2 seat convertibles at the time. It made quite a splash. More than 900,000 Miatas later FRB goes up against many sports cars. We'll see how it does. If keeps winning awards and racking up praise it should do well enough and draw average sport car/car buyers. Being down on power compared to other cars its class doesn't help. As does being dropped from Car and Drivers 10 Best list.

was a full-fledged phenomenon when it hit the market in mid-1989 as a 1990 model after making its public debut at the 1989 Chicago Auto Show.

Owners of those first Miatas can tell stories of being chased into parking lots and alleys by people so smitten that they absolutely had to know, "What is that!?" And the inevitable, "Where'd you get it? How much did it cost?"

Base price back then was $13,800.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...light/1881553/

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by avp1

If I really needed sedan or hatch, I would get WRX. The only variation than makes sense is turbo/SC for manual transmission. It will allow to keep price under $30K.

OEM FI on this car under 30k is but a dream.

[shaunsweeney]

Not out of the question considering that would be a near $5k increase.