Toyota is Working on a GT86 Hybrid

[Turbowned]

Even non-gearheads still want gears. I've been selling a lot of manual Subarus lately; both performance and non-performance versions. It's not because of the proce point either, and it certainly isn't because of the gas mileage since the CVT's get better mileage.

Back to the topic at hand, I'm certain they won't offer this car with a turbo, so I'll add my own! If they decide to offer one in 2yrs then I'll just swap my car back to stock and trade up!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Really? I test drove a stick shift Golf R just last year, so clearly someone at VW came to their senses.

This was in 2008. The exact car he test drove sat on the lot for over a year before finally disappearing. Chulooz's comment about not seeing many R32's running around was spot on - I've never seen one. It didn't help that my learning of the GTR's manual-less-ness also happened roughly around this time. I thought it was the beginning of the apocalypse. My 2013 is a manual though, so that's all I care about. For now...

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by dem00n

I'm not talking about units sold, i'm talking about sporty V6/I4 engines made. People buying a V6 Mustang and Camaro are clearly not buying those cars for power (Maybe some...?). Flat 6 in the Porches have been around forever.

I'm realizing now how many of those "sporty" cars have the very same engines as their econo-box counterparts (Camaros and Mustangs and Nissans and such included), identical output numbers as well.

Sooo that leaves, Porsche, BMW M, and Jaguar on the 6 cylinder side.

Honda S2k, Mazda, Subaru, and Fiat.

My only point is that 6 cylinders are cool and viable, deal with it.

[Razz]

Hybird = Throw away car

[InvalidJohnny5]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

So you're saying that by adding a turbo and driving the car faster you get a +1.5 mpg increase. Cool story b... aww forget it.

I fill up 10 gallons almost everytime. Full boost is at 3k for me at 5psi, daily-in-town-grocery-getter driving I don't shift til 3800, I get 260 a tank easy per week.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Razz

Hybird = Throw away car

I used to go with that dismissal until I started seeing 10 year old priuses (the 1st gen) still tooling around. Yes, replacing the battery is more expensive than the car when it happens, but give me 10 years of a car and I wouldn't call it "disposable."

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by Razz

Hybird = Throw away car

Really? Might as well throw these away then.





Btw, I wish people would stop calling SMTs and DCTs automatics. L2 torque converter people.

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

I used to go with that dismissal until I started seeing 10 year old priuses (the 1st gen) still tooling around. Yes, replacing the battery is more expensive than the car when it happens, but give me 10 years of a car and I wouldn't call it "disposable."

I can confirm this. We have a gen1 2001 Prius still on it's first battery pack. A complete replacement is now less than the $2K mark for parts. Plus a lot of people don't realize how much money you save w/ regenerative braking. Not a single brake job yet on the car after >150,000 miles. This is quite common on many Toyota hybrids to go this long w/ a brake job. I do not drive it gingerly either as it likes cruising around on two wheels w/o any sway bars.

As for added weight on the 86 from batteries. Think about this comparison. A blower installed on top of the FA20 adding 50lbs to the system shifting weight distribution to 58/42 and higher up, or a battery pack and motors dropped in the trunk area adding 100lbs but now distribution is 51/49 for a RWD w/ batteries acting as low CoG ballast. Just redo the spare tire area for batteries and add a can of fix a flat.

[PR FR-S]

2.5L N/A would probably be the most economical and simplest way to do it.
2.0 L Turbo would be cooler and it would also be the easiest to modify to get even morepower.
2.0 LHybrid. For me the systems are too complicated and would add more weight thanthe other options

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Anaxilus

Really? Might as well throw these away then.





Btw, I wish people would stop calling SMTs and DCTs automatics. L2 torque converter people.

Those are pretty much throwaway cars - their life expectancy is tiny compared to any viable street car.

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by chrisl

Those are pretty much throwaway cars - their life expectancy is tiny compared to any viable street car.

All racecars are, in that respect. He was just showing that it is a viable platform.

And why the hell does my sig get a tag?

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by Suberman

The US market is the only market requesting manual transmission cars.

The rest of the World is buying automatics. For example, Porsche expects more than 80% of Boxster/Cayman sales to be PDK. Most of the performance drivers I know want to be faster.

What on earth is the "used performance market"?

Old people buy many porches, their over shifting for themselves. (thats also the most advanced 'at' in the market) I dont know why 'performance drivers' care about being 0.2 seconds faster on the streets, they arent being timed.

The used performance market refers to cars, that are used, and are performance oriented. Private party MTs usually have a higher demand than ATs.

That US market stuff is all talk unless you have sources.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by Suberman

Dumping a clutch is not a good hard launch. It's a launch for dummies that can't drive.

Ideal acceleration requires about 15% wheel slip. This is why proper software launch control beats a manual shift every time. Heck, even the new Corvette has launch control. F1 cars cannot, because it beats the driver every time.

Just try and achieve exactly 15% wheelspin....if you can then you also won't need ABS. You can then get a job coaching Mark Webber

15%? - what is this a percentage of? How do you measure wheel spin in %?
'ideal' acceleration requires spin? No, Ideally you want 0% spin, 100% go.

'Dumping' the clutch on AWD redefines a launch.

[(fr-s)]

I don't see how any person who claims to be a driving enthusiast doesn't have more fun in the manual version of the exact same car.

Quickness around a track is going to be marginal for the AVERAGE driver.

Bottom line MT Is more fun all around. It's more engaging also, forces most people to pay more attention.