BRZ STi tS Confirmed. Teased on Official Website

[DantKR]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

am i the only one that doesn't have trouble passing people?

i think the car is a joy as is. doing a few bolts ons really wakes it up. add a header and i'll be happy.

there is NOTHING better than pulling away from someone on twisties or lapping someone at HPDE only to ahve them ask wahts under the hood...and you say STOCK that has a special place in my heart this car was made to handle, and handle it does.

also as stated above 200 BHP out of a 2.0l is pretty impressive, for the mto get to 250 out of the same motor it would require a bit more engineering and then i highly doubt it would still cost as much as it does now.

They already did it with the forester. 250hp 258tq.

[Frstorm]

There is a supercharger for 26k for the frs which I assume would work on the BRZ. I personally have no need but if you do there's options

[DantKR]

But you have to buy two...

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by AznBRZer

Ummm...hyperbole much? No one is denying you that freedom here. You're absolutely free to drop a few stacks on FI if you want and so is everyone else if they choose to.

Let's swing the hyperbole the other way around. He wants FI so that he can boost it even more than stock, and then, when something breaks, flash it back to stock and bring it to a dealer, saying "was doing 30mph, something broke". Effectively making Subaru, and, consequently, every Subaru owner to pay for his play via higher prices. So yeah, I vote no on his 'freedom' to do that, let him go aftermarket.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by DantKR

Most of us want a FI solution from the factory so we don't screw ourselves out of the warranty.

Warranty is only as good as the manufacturer's willingness to honor it.

[Fluxx]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Come on man, you can't be serious. A 250-280hp lightweight coupe for $30k sounds about as unique as you can get. A 200 hp lightweight coupe with a 13.75lb/hp PTW ratio for $26k? Not much unique about that.

What angers me about the people that say there's no need for a more powerful model is that they seem to think they know better than us that want FI and for some reason want to deny us the freedom to chose.

The thing is, at least in my area, you aren't going to get a BRZ as it is now for under $30k, and list price won't be $30k on a higher performance model, I'd imagine it would start at no less than $35k which puts it in direct competition with much higher powered cars. I picked what I did because it's affordable, fun, and there is nothing else like it on the road. If I was going to spend $35-$40k I'd have gotten a Boss 302 and called it a day.

[DSOmegaX]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Come on man, you can't be serious. A 250-280hp lightweight coupe for $30k sounds about as unique as you can get. A 200 hp lightweight coupe with a 13.75lb/hp PTW ratio for $26k? Not much unique about that.

What angers me about the people that say there's no need for a more powerful model is that they seem to think they know better than us that want FI and for some reason want to deny us the freedom to chose.

All were saying is we prefer not to have FI. It's called an opinion and were not denying you anything. There are plenty of turbo applications out there for you already. And just like you say you should have the freedom to choose if you want it, subaru has the freedom to choose whether they want to develop it or not. In addition, while I may not know more than you, id like to think the engineers whove spent years working on this car do, and jf theyre saying they dont want to develop it, there should be a good reason no? ill ask tada-san for you next time i meet him. People think that's its as simple as dropping a turbo in and calling it a day, but as a large corporation, they need to consider the business and logistics behind it as well. Warranty claims, service, etc. a company like greddy can afford o make a kit because they'll probably have about a 100 or so customers to assist, whereas subaru would have to potentially account for tens of thousands. Considering the price discrepancy between a wrx and a wrx sti is about 10k, good luck getting a 30k brz sti.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by go2brz

You should not be worrying about cars that have the power to pull more power out of the corners. If you are "racing" against cars with 100 or more HP than you, you should be in a class racing system. The SCCA would not have a BRZ racing against a car with lots more HP, unless it is modified.

But if you are "racing the clock" or just "racing" against cars with much more HP, you should not be losing unless you are performing on a "fast course" that allows for HP to be more important than handling. Most autocross or gymakana courses are tight enough to give the advantage to the best handling car that also has some power, rather than the car that has lots of power but less handling. My experience also has shown me that it is true that high HP cars can blast by you on parts of the course, but the key is to find a way to pass them on the corners the are the slowest. If they block you then the rules are not being enforced. It can become a bit crazy, but in the long run, I have found that the more you pass them on the corners, it changes their frame of mind usually and then becomes a bit easier to pass them and them open a bit of space to hold them off when their power comes on. (Not always a sure thing, but it sure feels good when it pays off) Of course the more modified your car is, than you have to race in different classes that might not always seem totally comparable. I beat lots of Mustangs, BMW's and such running a Subaru 2.5RS (Cobb and Prodrive modified) on tight courses, but the higher speed the course allowed the less likely I was to win. (HP makes that difference). The only time that I have had to deal with cars that had much more HP in a competitive event, was when I ran in the Open or "Exhibition class) rather than compete in the class events. (That applies to both "Vintage" racing and SCCA rules for "track days".) Each region or local club can run different rules, but as far as "national" rules, this is the standard I have found. I have not raced for a few years, and was never a "professional", so I am sure someone will have a different opinion abut what they have come across. It would be great to hear what other's experiences are with the BRZ.

I say all this because I don't see the car getting much more "factory" HP unless they add a turbo or supercharger, and that seems unlikely for the forseable future. How does Subaru (it is their engine design) get more HP out of a non-turbo or super chareged engine? This is a 2.0L that gets 200HP. If you check all factory engines available today, I think you will find that this is an exceptional output for a non-aspirated engine. Yes, more can be had, but to expect it with a warranty is maybe expecting too much. So if they decide to boost the engine somehow with forced induction (turbo or superchareged) then you will have what you want. For them to get 250HP out of a 2.0 litre is a lot to expect from a factory car that is intended to sell for a base price of around 25K. This is the car they designed. It has fantastic qualities that are hard to match without spending a low more on a Lotus, or even the new Alfa Romeo 4C (carbon fiber chassis) coming out early next year. It will sell for $60.000.00 minimum or more. The question is and always will be...........what do you get for your money. If it is not enough, then you have to spend more, either by major aftermarket upgrades, or by buying an expensive low production car with no questionable reliablity prospects. Pay now, or pay later, but you always have to pay to get to the top (in automobile competition)...........

This only applies when your competition doesn't know how to turn...

A BRZ will not turn faster than a Corvette, with equally talented drivers.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jduffy

You tools in search of more horsepower from the manufacturer make me laugh.

Keep posting, I'll keep laughing.

Why? What's wrong with more power?

Personally, I think it's embarrassing that the girl next door in her Rav4 can out-accelerate us by just stomping on her gas pedal. In a SUV.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

am i the only one that doesn't have trouble passing people?

i think the car is a joy as is. doing a few bolts ons really wakes it up. add a header and i'll be happy.

there is NOTHING better than pulling away from someone on twisties or lapping someone at HPDE only to ahve them ask wahts under the hood...and you say STOCK that has a special place in my heart this car was made to handle, and handle it does.

also as stated above 200 BHP out of a 2.0l is pretty impressive, for the mto get to 250 out of the same motor it would require a bit more engineering and then i highly doubt it would still cost as much as it does now.

100hp/liter NA was so two decades (25 years) ago...

[AznBRZer]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Warranty is only as good as the manufacturer's willingness to honor it.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

100hp/liter NA was so two decades (25 years) ago...

Yeah, but it's still the benchmark because we haven't surpassed that on a mass scale yet.

A well executed turbo would be cool and obviously a huge aftermarket hit...but I think a bored/stroked NA would be cool too. As mentioned they have the FB25 block already...

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Why? What's wrong with more power?

Personally, I think it's embarrassing that the girl next door in her Rav4 can out-accelerate us by just stomping on her gas pedal. In a SUV.

Given your reliability record already, do you think Subaru should be pushing more power out of the motor?

[CSG Mike]

LOL @ nigahiga