Scion FR-S & Subaru BRZ Debut at 2012 Detroit NAIAS. 600HP Drift FR-S Race Car Reveal

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

It's low weight for a RWD for sure. But I did think it would be around 2800lbs initially, and then the media coverage was lifted and everyone started posting sub 2600lbs, but I guess that only applies to the JDM/EU/AUS models.

Originally Posted by Ryephile

We also don't know if the 2,762 Lbs. is "dry", "unladen", "curb". How does Toyota/Scion/Subaru typically advertise their weights....dry?

Originally Posted by ryude

Curb weight is always how Toyota lists their weights. That's the exact way you pick the car up from the dealer.

Originally Posted by bambbrose

No I completely agree that it is still lightweight, but the JDM spec model is reportedly 1220 kg (probably dry), which is 2689.

I guess I was hoping for something closer to 2700 instead of 2800. We aren't too far off, only 50 lbs or so.

Curb weights are regional. Eg. US is all fluids and 90% of a tank of fuel. Germany adds a passenger and luggage. I believe Japan's curb weights calculate with 1/2 a tank of fuel.

I guessed 2866lbs/1300kgs and only the fully loaded automatic is going to break 2800 so at least I'm not disappointed.

BTW, Drifting isn't racing, Drift Racing is.

[dan]

Originally Posted by cassidy0998

It interferes with financial decision making. Very aggravating.

+1

If it's out of my price range, I'd like to buy another car in the short term rather than having to wait until April/May.

[Dragonitti]

^Do you guys not already own cars? Are you like in dire need?

[madfast]

Originally Posted by MrVito

That's actually a splitter, and the front bumper is either aftermarket or has been extended downward by about an inch, inch and a half,

the car looks to have a complete widebody kit. notice the line on the rear fender above the "dd" of "greddy":

[switchlanez]

Actually, First 86 is a crafty and sneaky marketing scheme. They intentionally don't release a price and use that list to gauge how many people are seriously ready to buy. The more people there are who sign up, the more Scion can afford to hike up the price without turning off potential buyers. Nobody should sign up unless they are seriously aching to buy right now. It's for the good of our community that we drive prices down by not signing up.

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Actually, First 86 is a crafty and sneaky marketing scheme. They intentionally don't release a price and use that list to gauge how many people are seriously ready to buy. The more people there are who sign up, the more Scion can afford to hike up the price without turning off potential buyers. Nobody should sign up unless they are seriously aching to buy right now. It's for the good of our community that we drive prices down by not signing up.

I think I'll sign up and if I win just sell the car with a huge markup to someone who just can't wait for it.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Actually, First 86 is a crafty and sneaky marketing scheme. They intentionally don't release a price and use that list to gauge how many people are seriously ready to buy. The more people there are who sign up, the more Scion can afford to hike up the price without turning off potential buyers. Nobody should sign up unless they are seriously aching to buy right now. It's for the good of our community that we drive prices down by not signing up.

Sounds like a solid marketing plan. If they only get 1000 or so people sign up on the list they know that not everyone is sold on the car yet.

[Slide]

Everyone has been putting down deposits :S... so they already have a good gauge so just tell us all already!

[MrVito]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Actually, First 86 is a crafty and sneaky marketing scheme. They intentionally don't release a price and use that list to gauge how many people are seriously ready to buy. The more people there are who sign up, the more Scion can afford to hike up the price without turning off potential buyers. Nobody should sign up unless they are seriously aching to buy right now. It's for the good of our community that we drive prices down by not signing up.

I see what you're doing there.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Slide

Everyone has been putting down deposits :S... so they already have a good gauge so just tell us all already!

I haven't seen many people on here saying they have actual deposits down yet.

[Guff]

I clicked on the Detroit live link and it was titled Hyundai Press Conference, but the video was of an Orange Transvestite Woman staring into space and some old white man typing on an iPad vigorously. They were newscasters of sorts...

That's it. For like 20 minutes.


Edit: Now they stood up and are taking pictures with some even older gentleman...

[WingsofWar]

i thought i saw some NASIOC members put down deposits..Wasn't sure if its real or not..

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Guff

I clicked on the Detroit live link and it was titled Hyundai Press Conference, but the video was of an Orange Transvestite Woman staring into space and some old white man typing on an iPad vigorously. They were newscasters of sorts...

That's it. For like 20 minutes.

You sure you weren't on pornhub?

[2fast4you]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

Curb weights are regional. Eg. US is all fluids and 90% of a tank of fuel.

IF this is true and the 2,689lb estimate is with an empty gas tank, then 2,762 est. for the U.S. BRZ is dead on the numbers:

1 U.S. gallon of gasoline = 6.15 lbs.

AS1 Fuel Capacity = 13.2 U.S. gallons

90% fuel capacity = 73.06 lbs

2,762 - 73.06 = 2,688.94 lbs.